re: Carr gets 4 years $150mil / $100 mil guaranteed

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So you'd trade the Payton era for the Haslett era?

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That’s not what the hell I said and you know it

Dennis Allen wanted to give us a reminder of how he fricked us long after he’s been fired we will still be paying Carr.

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Here are the true Derek Carr terms. It's a three-year, $100M deal

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Also, the Saints can escape the contract after two years.

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Both of these require assumptions that we know are not true.

Are the Saints going to keep Carr on a $35.7M cap hit next year? Or will the convert at least a portion of his $30M base into signing bonus? Of course they will. Then we can't just cut him after 2-3 years b/c the dead cap accelerates to insane levels.

IF somehow we managed to not restructure his base next year and cut him, we should have over a $20M dead cap number (17.1 + 5.7), so this "it can be a 2 year deal" comments are pretty silly.

We are already $84M over the estimated 2024 cap (per Sportstrac) with all of the restructuring.

Looks like Jameis (assuming post June 1 cut) is 8.4M in dead money. Michael Thomas will be 14M in dead money (per Sportrac) almost guaranteed. That's about 10% of our 2024 cap gone with those 2.

Then you have Cam Jordan (when he's not under contract) eating up another $12.7M of the cap. Now you're up to $35.3M in dead money.

If we cut Peat this year and designate it as a post June 1 cut, that adds about $10M in dead money to 2024.

Then we'd be up to about $45M in dead money for 2024. That's over 20% of our cap

I don't see any other potential cut options, based on all the restructures we did recently.

Every year that dead cap % keeps climbing, and we haven't addressed the difficult contracts (Taysom Hill, now Mathieu, etc.).

Scrolled through this to see if I posted anything unbelievably stupid, pleasantly surprised

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but he looks like his ceiling will be middle of the pack in the NFC.

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but this was always his ceiling, his career as a whole said that. Coming here to a flawed roster with a piss poor excuse for an OC was not the key to unlocking untapped potential in him.

The people that kept repeating "I mean looks guys, we now have the best QB in the NFC south!" just didn't get it. Hell, that statement isn't even proving to be accurate as of now either.

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We will win the division and at least make the divisional round

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Proximo.

Go fricking figure. Dude swallows the black and gold dick and drains it dry every season.

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. Again, this is more of an indication of the shitty QB lists in the NFC

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but this is my issue, the Carr signing was always shooting for mediocre with a very limited ceiling.

I get as a fan base no one wants to suck but when faced with either ripping the band aid off and starting fresh or signing a guy like Carr to limp along to 7-8 wins just because the division sucks arse, it should have been an easy call.

If we were a team on the cusp that just needed a guy like Carr to game manage a loaded roster to make a real playoff run, I'd have understood the thinking

I guarantee Colts and Texan fan bases are feeling much better about the future outlooks of their teams because their FOs accepted the reality of where their teams were.

Having what looked like an elite defense with some weapons on offense; I get why the team made the move. I have been all for ripping the band aid off and sucking for 2-3 years to right the ship and fix the cap. But when your FO & HC have careers that depend on doing just enough; they will never take that approach unless forced.

Wanting to rip the band aid off and suck for awhile is also why I do not want this team to make any coaching staff changes during the season. Play this right and we can go into the bye week with 3 or 4 wins and hopefully finish the season under 6 wins. You start making changes, you could accidently win 8 or 9 games and lose in the 1st round of the playoffs with this shitty division. Now instead of drafting around 5-7, you are drafting around 18.

Also, backing into the playoffs could give the FO the justification for another round of DA and the if we just give him a new OC...

No, I’m on the Saints forum speaking reason to the unreasonable.

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but tell which 8 QBs do you have as better than Carr, going into the season not after week 4.

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The problem is with this mentality of making it a hierarchical 1-16 list and acting like a list made in March actually matters. First of all if you have Goff then Cousins is easily in the same tier.

You also had several guys with limited to no experience. Young is a rookie, Ridder Howell (was he the starter in March?) and Love 2nd-3rd year guys with limited starts so hard to rank them, and then there’s Purdy, limited experience playing with a loaded roster and also coming off an injury that in March looked like at best he wouldn’t be ready at the start of the season at worst would miss it all. Ranking Carr ahead of him then was completely meaningless and now is laughably stupid.

Geno a journeyman coming off a good year could he repeat it was a legitimate question but what he did last year was as good or better than any season Carr has ever had. Fields a wild card, dominate runner showed some flashes as a passer but also some horrible moments. Like Carr plays for a shitty organization.

Mayfield signed for 1 year 8.5 vs Carr 100M guaranteed. Ranking them doesn’t take that into account. Baker has some talent worth a dice roll.