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Can the Saints become better at Drafting Players DESPITE Loomis being in the Building ?
Posted on 8/29/25 at 9:54 am
Posted on 8/29/25 at 9:54 am
I think the Saints got lucky and hit on the right coach in Moore !!
Hopefully, Loomis will sit back and let Coach Moore draft the players HE wants.. .with little to no pushback.
Coach Bill Parcells famous quote was. “they want you to bake the cake but they won’t let you buy the groceries”
Loomis needs to stop giving away draft picks by constantly trading up in the draft.
Loomis needs to pay more attention to Compensatory Pick and become better in trying not to RISK Saints attainment and retention of these picks.
Loomis needs to consider trading BACKWARDS in the draft “every once in awhile” to increase the number of draft picks… increasing the Saints number of overall chances to find good players.
Will the Saints tweak the Saints scouting personnel-staff ??
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Posted on 8/29/25 at 9:59 am to TigerSaurus
How do we not know Moore wasn’t the one picking the draft picks? How do we not know Moore wanted those players we traded for and was good with Loomis giving away draft picks? Post your source
Posted on 8/29/25 at 10:00 am to TigerSaurus
You should probably know that Loomis is the bean counter - always has been. For better or worse, he lets the scouting dept. and his HC dictate player picks.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 10:04 am to blizzle
didnt a report just come out he overruled everyone on foskey?
Posted on 8/29/25 at 10:14 am to geauxtigers87
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didnt a report just come out he overruled everyone on foskey?
If that report is true, then wouldn't that also give credibility to the statements that he generally relies on the reports from the scouting departments and letting Ireland and his coaching staff make majority of the decisions?
In other words, if Loomis was routinely "overruling" everyone else; him doing it for Foskey would be a nonstory.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 10:24 am to TigerSaurus
Jeff Ireland and the coaching staff are making the picks. Loomis is an accountant and managerial type, not a football guy.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 10:30 am to geauxtigers87
quote:BS "report" from some internet bloggers with 3k followers. Also, look at the idiot who reposted it (Rosenthal).
didnt a report just come out he overruled everyone on foskey?
This post was edited on 8/29/25 at 10:39 am
Posted on 8/29/25 at 11:01 am to TigerSaurus
Well considering Loomis has been here for over 20 years and we have drafted well with him in the building in the past. I'd say yes, it's possible.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 11:11 am to Pendulum
I swear if our fans ever actually followed the other teams' draft maybe they would understand that every team goes through good and bad drafts (Pats were notoriously bad at hit rate, but tried to make up for it with more picks, for instance), and that WAY more draft picks bust than work out (for every team).
It really is a crap shoot with so many factors than can cause unsuspecting players the be great and the most sure picks to become busts.
The key is to mitigate those factors as much as possible, and we have been very up and down with that, whereas sometimes our method works really well, and others we ignore key factors that could have helped us avoid certain players.
It really is a crap shoot with so many factors than can cause unsuspecting players the be great and the most sure picks to become busts.
The key is to mitigate those factors as much as possible, and we have been very up and down with that, whereas sometimes our method works really well, and others we ignore key factors that could have helped us avoid certain players.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 11:13 am to Pendulum
Gayle could fix so much about the perception of this team by moving Loomis to the President role (like Falcons did with Rich McKay) and hire a real General Manager. Loomis can chair competition committee shite, help run the organization, and just be the overall executive.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 11:15 am to Mushroom1968
In a traditional administrative structure that dominates in NFL Draft Rooms…. there is intense discussions regarding who are the highest rated players as determined by the “scouting staff” and what are needs of the team as defined by the “coaching staff.”
At the end of the discussion… whether there is concensus of opinion or not regarding the draft pick to be made…. The GM has the final say.
All head coaches crave TOTAL control over an organization, in the Draft Room, but owners are unwilling to give total control to a head coach …. they want the GM involved in running their Multi-Billion dollar corporation (NFL Team).
Again… Bill Parcells famous quote is
“they (NFL owners) want you to bake the cake but won’t let you buy the groceries”.
The meaning of that statement is… the owners want the coach to get the owner an NFL World Championship but they won’t let the coach have total control in drafting players (the groceries) and putting together the roster (the cake).
The owner makes the decision how much power the GM wields.
It’s very rare for a head coach to have total control of ALL operations…. Much less the draft room.
Case in Point…. the key determinant that led Nick Saban to select Miami Dolphins and leave LSU is that Wayne Huizenga (Owner) gave total control of the Dolphins to Nick Saban.
That’s a Big Piece of Cheese to a Head Coach and very rarely given by an owner.
You think Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys is giving up power to someone else ??
Whether Loomis willingly delegates his GM authority to Moore is unknown or whether Gayle Benson would even allow Loomis to cede power is unknown…..
However, it is extremely doubtful considering the traditional administrative structure of NFL Teams… that Moore absolutely totally controls the NFL Draft Room at present.
But… I would hope Loomis can set aside his PRIDE and EGO in acquiescing to Moore requests for players “in the Draft.”.
As the teams recent administrative structure .. in the Draft Room.. has brought extremely poor results via Foskey, Payton Turner, et al.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 11:23 am to TigerSaurus
It's more of a collaborative effort from all parties, and while if there is a hard disagreement it may usually be the gm that makes the final call (but not always), it would be stupid for a gm to cut the coach he hired at the knees by not listening to his input and heavily weighting it.
As for Parcells, that was more about Jerry, who was owner and gm, than it was about gms in particular. Jerry and Al Davis were notorious for ignoring what their coaches wanted and drafting/signing the players they wanted.
As for Parcells, that was more about Jerry, who was owner and gm, than it was about gms in particular. Jerry and Al Davis were notorious for ignoring what their coaches wanted and drafting/signing the players they wanted.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 11:35 am to Mushroom1968
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do we not know Moore wasn’t the one picking the draft picks? How do we not know Moore wanted those players we traded for and was good with Loomis giving away draft picks? Post your source
Moore won the Super Bowl on February 9th, hired on Feb 11th, the draft is April. I’m sure he was up to date on all draft eligible players. We have a scouting and personnel department that’s like 30 deep. How much time do yall think a HC has to grind draft tape?
Posted on 8/29/25 at 12:37 pm to TigerSaurus
You ever get tired of being a total dumbass? Oh and go head and use your !!!! Cause they suck as bad as you.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 12:55 pm to GynoSandberg
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How much time do yall think a HC has to grind draft tape?
In the off season? For 2 months? I would assume every single day for a brand new head coach. I’m sure he was grinding from the day he was hired.
Also. He was interviewed 2x in early January. He knew he was likely getting this job. This is his team and he is calling all the shots. Except it. Enjoy the ride.
If you think Moore didn’t lead this past draft then you’re being a contrarian.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 1:20 pm to Mouth
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Also. He was interviewed 2x in early January. He knew he was likely getting this job. This is his team and he is calling all the shots. Except it. Enjoy the ride.
Moore was burning college tape for the Saints while preparing for the Eagles Super Bowl run? Do you take what I said as a slight to Moore? Except what?
No head coach in the NFL leads a draft room outside of the ones with GM titles. Of course they give input. This is fact not contrarian. Watch any behind the scenes war room footage of a draft, including ours, Are you taking that as a slight to Moore?
Posted on 8/29/25 at 1:59 pm to TigerBait2008
There you are …. you Hairy Baboon !!!
Of course, with nothing to contribute to the conversation….AS ALWAYS !!!
Son… I would think someone with your high level of stupidity would hide in shame …but again… you’re not the brightest crayon in the box as you’ve demonstrated innumerable times both to my own and the boards immense delight :)
This post was edited on 8/29/25 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 8/29/25 at 1:59 pm to GynoSandberg
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Moore was burning college tape for the Saints while preparing for the Eagles Super Bowl run?
I didn’t say that. But I do think when he left the facility after working all day and he laid his head down… He was thinking and dreaming about becoming the Saints head coach and what he could do.
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Watch any behind the scenes war room footage of a draft, including ours
If you think all the work from the staff/scouts/GMs leading up to the draft are not green lit from the head coach I don’t know what to tell you.
They scout. Rank players. then a head coach is supposed to talk to his coaches and decide who the best players that are scouted are the ones we want to draft.
Do really think GMs are supposed to decide who is best for the coaches scheme/playbook?
Posted on 8/29/25 at 2:06 pm to blizzle
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You should probably know that Loomis is the bean counter - always has been. For better or worse, he lets the scouting dept. and his HC dictate player picks.
Don’t try to reason with the OP. He’s a smooth brain who lives in a simple world where he needs one person to scapegoat all his problems. Don’t expect him to look any deeper than “Team bad; Loomis bad!!!” Same with that Geauldilox fella who couldn’t stop blaming Benson.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 2:24 pm to TigerSaurus
How many times are we going to have this thread
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