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re: Attorney for Smith family / Attorney for Hayes l Press Conference Recap
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:14 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:14 pm to Lester Earl
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eye witness says that Smith announced first that he had his gun on him.
IMO - That would be because he saw that Hayes was carrying and said it to back him off (as Smith didn't have his on him, but in his vehicle).
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:14 pm to Lester Earl
No. Why would I?
I really don't want to frick up this discussion by getting sucked into your game. We have had two pages of objective, troll free conversation and I'd like to keep it that way, pls.
I really don't want to frick up this discussion by getting sucked into your game. We have had two pages of objective, troll free conversation and I'd like to keep it that way, pls.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:14 pm to Vacherie Saint
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This and how could Hayes have seen the gun in the door compartment late at night, but CSI's couldn't?
maybe they didnt want to find it, or they know where it was all along but wanted to keep it private to compare to witness testimony. we also had the defense attorney claim that evidence was tampered with.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:16 pm to Lester Earl
Hayes' passenger? Eyewitnesses mean jack at this point. You could pay anyone to say anything (or have your friend/family vouch for you).
It's when you get put on the stand or make an official statement to the police that it starts mattering. Doesn't mean it will all be true but people are much less prone to lying when they could face jail time for it.
It's when you get put on the stand or make an official statement to the police that it starts mattering. Doesn't mean it will all be true but people are much less prone to lying when they could face jail time for it.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:16 pm to yurintroubl
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IMO - That would be because he saw that Hayes was carrying and said it to back him off (as Smith didn't have his on him, but in his vehicle).
Hayes didnt announce he had a gun until thereafter according to said witness.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:17 pm to bonethug0108
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Hayes' passenger? Eyewitnesses mean jack at this point. You could pay anyone to say anything (or have your friend/family vouch for you).
no, not Hayes passenger. An eyewitness on the scene. A video posted by Nola.com before either lawyer either spoke to the media.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:18 pm to Vacherie Saint
Dont be so sensitive, I wasnt trolling you and haven't trolled at all in this thread. I was simply asking a question.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:18 pm to diat150
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maybe they didnt want to find it, or they know where it was all along but wanted to keep it private to compare to witness testimony. we also had the defense attorney claim that evidence was tampered with.
See, this is where people lose me. No disrespect, but some posters feel its OK to presume a grand police conspiracy, but bludgeon those who presume the exponentially more likely possibility that Hayes is guilty. Not saying that's you, BTW.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:20 pm to Lester Earl
You're talking about the video where the guy says "1 guy says I have a gun, and the other guy goes I have a gun too." Not sure how you deduce that hayes was the second voice from that story.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:21 pm to Vacherie Saint
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See, this is where people lose me. No disrespect, but some posters feel its OK to presume a grand police conspiracy, but bludgeon those who presume the exponentially more likely possibility that Hayes is guilty. Not saying that's you, BTW.
I dont think it is a conspiracy for the police to hold out on info to see who is telling the truth. Isnt that pretty standard operating procedure?
Im not familiar with any protocol or laws regarding evidence at a crime scene so it is also possible that orders came from the top down to not touch anything in the vehicle until the proper warrants or people are involved.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:22 pm to Pendulum
Its pretty clear that he alludes the 2nd voice ends up firing the shots, and we know Smith didnt fire his gun.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:23 pm to Pendulum
But it also doesn't say that either of them have a gun on their person, in their car, at their house, or anywhere else for that matter.
It seems only one person had a gun on their person, pulled it out, shot one person, and killed another.
It seems only one person had a gun on their person, pulled it out, shot one person, and killed another.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:25 pm to Lester Earl
To answer your question, you simply cant rely solely on what Fuller has made public and ignore other witness statements (not made public, but have lead to a murder 2 charge). Which is exactly what you are doing. You've chirled all night about something Modock tweeted and completely ingonred Raquel Smith's statement via her atty. In both the Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown cases, many eye witness statements were conflicting and ultimately proven false. It was also late at night and dark out, making some of this stuff a bit less reliable. Smith's attorney claims his witnesses contradict Fuller's, so why is Fuller right in your mind, but Raquel Smith is lying?
Why won't Fuller say what Hayes is saying the real story is?
Why won't Fuller say what Hayes is saying the real story is?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:31 pm to Vacherie Saint
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You've chirled all night about something Modock tweeted
The guy has a reputation in New Orleans. And he put his reputation on the line. Maybe he is wrong in the end, but that has some meaning as of now. He has better info than me or you.
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and completely ingonred Raquel Smith's statement via her atty.
I have no completely ignored it. She didnt bring any new information besides her being shot, and I noted that it was weird the way Smith was shot compared to her.
Most of the other stuff the lawyer said WAS NOT good for the state, as many experts have already noted. Not to mention he lied at least twice on info that has already been made to the public by unbiased media. So not, I dont think his press conference was that enlightening, and neither do most experts.
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Smith's attorney claims his witnesses contradict Fuller's, so why is Fuller right in your mind, but Raquel Smith is lying?
Thomson is merely a talking head putting out a statement. He wasnt even sure of half of the shite he said. Go back and watch it.
Fuller is privy to more information and outside of the first 911 call, he has been on. He doesn't take this case out of the blue if he doesnt have something.
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Why won't Fuller say what Hayes is saying the real story is?
Seriously, what does he have to gain by doing this right now? Would be a terrible move on his part.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:32 pm to diat150
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I dont think it is a conspiracy for the police to hold out on info to see who is telling the truth. Isnt that pretty standard operating procedure?
Im not familiar with any protocol or laws regarding evidence at a crime scene so it is also possible that orders came from the top down to not touch anything in the vehicle until the proper warrants or people are involved.
They could have easily searched the cars at the scene - probable cause. However, they were smart to impound the vehicle and obtain a warrant due to the gravity of the case and the liklyhood that evidence could be declared inadmissible in court if mishandled by the Po Po.
What they would not do is leave an exposed, loaded firearm from a murder scene in a car and turn it over to a commercial wrecker service to haul across the city to impound. They would have recovered it as they did with Hayes's gun.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:34 pm to Vacherie Saint
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commercial wrecker service
Orleans parish tow truck, fwiw.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:34 pm to diat150
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I dont think it is a conspiracy for the police to hold out on info to see who is telling the truth. Isnt that pretty standard operating procedure?
Im not familiar with any protocol or laws regarding evidence at a crime scene so it is also possible that orders came from the top down to not touch anything in the vehicle until the proper warrants or people are involved.
I absolutely refuse to believe NOPD CSI would deliberately taint the evidence... esp. in this case where they had to know on scene once they knew who they were dealing with that all eyes would be on this case (and you know they knew that)
in fact... if anything... they'd want to be extra careful to make sure they get this right
and yes... investigators withholding information from the public is common practice... in fact that has helped catch people in lies b/c they told the investigator he only knew about it on the news but said more about the case than what had been released
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:34 pm to Vacherie Saint
Because if they say Hayes' story now the prosecution will get a head start with picking it apart.
This is why defense attorney's almost always build their public opinion case through eyewitnesses. An often those witnesses are too "scared" to testify or are found to be lying.
Even when a person is innocent and has an airtight alibi it isn't smart to come out with it before the trial.
This is why defense attorney's almost always build their public opinion case through eyewitnesses. An often those witnesses are too "scared" to testify or are found to be lying.
Even when a person is innocent and has an airtight alibi it isn't smart to come out with it before the trial.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:35 pm to Lester Earl
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Thomson is merely a talking head putting out a statement. He wasnt even sure of half of the shite he said. Go back and watch it.
Fuller is privy to more information and outside of the first 911 call, he has been on. He doesn't take this case out of the blue if he doesnt have something.
I cant engage you if you are going to speculate like this. Sorry.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:38 pm to Vacherie Saint
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What they would not do is leave an exposed, loaded firearm from a murder scene in a car and turn it over to a commercial wrecker service to haul across the city to impound. They would have recovered it as they did with Hayes's gun.
what would be the difference? lets say the gun is sitting on the floorboard or if its in the center console or in the side compartment on the door? I highly doubt that a wrecker service employee was allowed access to the interior of the vehicle without someone from nopd present or even at all in a high profile murder case like this. if it is that is a huge problem as smiths vehicle was essentially the crime scene.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 10:41 pm
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