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re: Attorney for Smith family / Attorney for Hayes l Press Conference Recap
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:11 pm to Rocky4LSU
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:11 pm to Rocky4LSU
Has to be after two shots to Mrs Smith and one to his left side, he wheeled around leaned into the car using left hand to hold steering wheel trying to retrieve his weapon, 7 shots to back stopped the process.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 9:12 pm
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:12 pm to Rocky4LSU
assuming Hayes is behind, he would have had to have his back to the drivers side of the Mercedes maybe? If that shot was the first, he may have tried to get into his car for cover, all the while taking rounds in the back.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:13 pm to Rocky4LSU
Maybe dude started spraying, hit the wife, and will started taking hits as he was retreating for his piece?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:15 pm to Rocky4LSU
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If so,she was facing shooter. Smith had entry wound in left side, exit wound in right shoulder. He was facing 90 degrees away from shooter with back to car door opening. Right? How did his left arm get wrapped around steering wheel when he expired?
Smith's talking to his wife w/ his back to the car... Hayes opens fire... she goes down and he takes it in the side... the force of which spins his back to Hayes who continues to shoot... Smith falls into the car where he lands
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:19 pm to rt3
Entry wound to left side midway up, exit top shoulder. He was ducking after the shots to Mrs Smith. Check position of his feet in picture from scene. All twisted
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:20 pm to whodatfan
I'm starting to doubt the stray bullet thing with RS.
Without knowing the total number of bullets fired and how many misses, his shots were grouped incredibly well. He is obviously a good marksman. I think only one bullet actually exited smith so its not likely she was hit by a fragment. A 45 would only hold around 13 rounds max with a factory magazine. Assuming he emptied the gun, he would have only failed to hit his target 3 out of 13 shots.
Without knowing the total number of bullets fired and how many misses, his shots were grouped incredibly well. He is obviously a good marksman. I think only one bullet actually exited smith so its not likely she was hit by a fragment. A 45 would only hold around 13 rounds max with a factory magazine. Assuming he emptied the gun, he would have only failed to hit his target 3 out of 13 shots.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:23 pm to Lester Earl
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anyway this is stupid to argue over since it never happened. I can only LNCHBOX-style argue so many times in one day.
Maybe if you didn't have a fundamental misunderstanding of how road rage works you wouldn't have to have an argument.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:25 pm to Vacherie Saint
I thought the same thing. Glock holds 13. Where did the three stay bullets go? If he emptied the gun. And where were the other two passengers when the shooting started?
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:27 pm to Rocky4LSU
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Entry wound to left side midway up, exit top shoulder. He was ducking after the shots to Mrs Smith. Check position of his feet in picture from scene. All twisted
Other scenario would be Smith was getting back out of his vehicle (after "argument diffused") when he heard the shots that struck his wife... Makes Smith "reaching in for his gun" even less likely IMO.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:30 pm to Lester Earl
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When asked whom his sources were, he wouldnt say. Just that he "talked to some people"
No attorney is going to show his entire hand right away in any legal matter.
Remember Les Miles the football coach? He doesn't give straight answers either and there's a reason for this.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:33 pm to Rocky4LSU
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I thought the same thing. Glock holds 13. Where did the three stay bullets go? If he emptied the gun. And where were the other two passengers when the shooting started?
He probably emptied. Even so, 3 of 13 misses in a highly stressful shooting incident are insanely low.
Where was Raquel though if she really was hit by strays? Where would she have had to be standing to take two in the upper thigh? She would have had to have been well behind Smith on the driver's side of the car for those angles to work. Doesnt make sense unless she was maybe calming Smith at the door of the vehicle when Hayes started shooting - Smith's back being to Hayes and RS facing Smith? Interesting stuff.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:38 pm to Rocky4LSU
If Smith already had the gun in his hand would he be halfway in the car holding the wheel?
I feel that since he was found halfway in the car is bc he was reaching for his gun. Just an opinion.
I feel that since he was found halfway in the car is bc he was reaching for his gun. Just an opinion.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:42 pm to Mouth
Or he was seeking cover in the car after taking the first round in the rib. That doesnt really change anything though as far as Hayes's guilt or innocence.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:43 pm to Vacherie Saint
I think these shots are going to be at a much closer range than you think. From door to door you are talking 15 feet. By the time everyone gets situated and he arguing starts these guys are probably less than 10 feet and closer to 5 feet away from each other. Its not hard to be accurate at that distance, especially if you have spent any time shooting a pistol before. Not to mention this was a big man with long arms.
Hard to say what went down without knowing more facts about the altercation. I could easily see it going either way. Neither guy showed great judgement up to that point.
Hard to say what went down without knowing more facts about the altercation. I could easily see it going either way. Neither guy showed great judgement up to that point.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:46 pm to diat150
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I think these shots are going to be at a much closer range than you think. From door to door you are talking 15 feet. By the time everyone gets situated and he arguing starts these guys are probably less than 10 feet and closer to 5 feet away from each other. Its not hard to be accurate at that distance, especially if you have spent any time shooting a pistol before. Not to mention this was a big man with long arms.
Hard to say what went down without knowing more facts about the altercation. I could easily see it going either way. Neither guy showed great judgement up to that point.
No doubt. I just think people take for granted how difficult it truly is to be accurate at any distance during a life-threatening shooting incident. There are studies on this very subject.
ETA. maybe this speaks to your point that the shots were fired at incredibly close range.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:47 pm to Mouth
I feel like the biggest thing not discussed is WHEN did Hayes have his gun?
Did he get out of his car with it? Was it tucked in his pants? Did he go back in his car to get it? If he went back into his car why not just drive off instead of getting back out and shooting an unarmed man in the back?
Smith clearly didn't have his gun out at the moment he was shot from all accounts. Whether he was going for his gun or going for cover is another argument.
And you empty a clip (13 shots) at close range with high accuracy in self defense? And your statement says you weren't impaired.
Don't see how the shots to Will's wife's legs were stray shots when the rest were so accurate. If all the shots on Will were waist up it seems extremely unlikely.
Did he get out of his car with it? Was it tucked in his pants? Did he go back in his car to get it? If he went back into his car why not just drive off instead of getting back out and shooting an unarmed man in the back?
Smith clearly didn't have his gun out at the moment he was shot from all accounts. Whether he was going for his gun or going for cover is another argument.
And you empty a clip (13 shots) at close range with high accuracy in self defense? And your statement says you weren't impaired.
Don't see how the shots to Will's wife's legs were stray shots when the rest were so accurate. If all the shots on Will were waist up it seems extremely unlikely.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:51 pm to bonethug0108
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Smith clearly didn't have his gun out at the moment he was shot from all accounts.
How is it so clear to you, the only person who definitely stated he wasn't holding gun was Smith lawyer no?
I don't think there's anything clear about the event. shite, it's not even clear if smith actually hit the car first and there's a friggin video of it.
However, your first point is valid... that is a very important question to ask.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:53 pm to Vacherie Saint
I'm thinking Hayes exited his vehicle with his gun already on him and Smith did not. Either that or Hayes had it on his front seat or somewhere he could get to it quickly upon exiting his vehicle. Either way - Hayes was approaching an unarmed Smith when he started firing.
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Get out of my head.
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bonethug0108
Get out of my head.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:53 pm to bonethug0108
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Don't see how the shots to Will's wife's legs were stray shots when the rest were so accurate. If all the shots on Will were waist up it seems extremely unlikely
I have issue with this also.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:53 pm to Pendulum
If he had his gun out why wouldn't he try shooting it and why would he be being shot in his back?
The more I hear the more it seems Hayes shot Will's wife, Will likely goes for his gun at that point, then Hayes empties his clip in him.
Hayes can (falsely) claim self defense now because Smith was going for his gun and shot Will's wife below the knee (or was it her thighs?). Maybe that's what he thought.
The more I hear the more it seems Hayes shot Will's wife, Will likely goes for his gun at that point, then Hayes empties his clip in him.
Hayes can (falsely) claim self defense now because Smith was going for his gun and shot Will's wife below the knee (or was it her thighs?). Maybe that's what he thought.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 9:57 pm
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