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All this talk of “what if Brees signed with Miami” completely discounts Sean Payton
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:27 pm
Agree or disagree?
The last 24 hours have been a lot of, “Saban would still be in the NFL”, and different iterations of that. But how do you just completely ignore Payton’s influence?
Obvious Drew is a legend, but it ain’t like he was a sure thing in San Diego and Sean had more skins on the wall at that point.
Idk, seems foolish to discount one of the 5 best offensive minds in NFL history and assume Saban would have gotten the same results.
The last 24 hours have been a lot of, “Saban would still be in the NFL”, and different iterations of that. But how do you just completely ignore Payton’s influence?
Obvious Drew is a legend, but it ain’t like he was a sure thing in San Diego and Sean had more skins on the wall at that point.
Idk, seems foolish to discount one of the 5 best offensive minds in NFL history and assume Saban would have gotten the same results.
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:34 pm to DBG
Imho, Sean deserves all the accolades with Drew as a dynamic duo.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:50 pm to DBG
Well maybe Saban lasts slightly longer with Brees instead of a busted up Culpepper and misses hooking up with Bama
I think Saban was always destined to end back up in college, he couldn’t handle not being able to completely stack the deck in his favor. You can’t process your bad decisions and get a fresh 25 every spring in the NFL.
I think Saban was always destined to end back up in college, he couldn’t handle not being able to completely stack the deck in his favor. You can’t process your bad decisions and get a fresh 25 every spring in the NFL.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 11:00 pm to BilJ
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. You can’t process your bad decisions and get a fresh 25 every spring in the NFL
That and the majority of NFL players these aren’t going to respond to a tyrant style coach who rules by fear. He has much more control over making young kids shite their pants.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:36 am to DBG
Drew Brees is a great QB, but Payton is the catalyst behind the Saints success since 2006. It will become more evident once Drew retires and Sean is still able to attain a high level of play at the QB position.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:53 am to DJ3K
If Brees goes to Miami, the Saints pull the trigger and trade a second round pick to the Cowboys for Tony Romo.
Brees has a great career in Miami and Romo has a great career in New Orleans.
Brees has a great career in Miami and Romo has a great career in New Orleans.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:25 am to BilJ
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Well maybe Saban lasts slightly longer with Brees instead of a busted up Culpepper and misses hooking up with Bama
This.
I think he gives the NFL more than 2 years with Brees at QB. Bama hires Rich Rod, but may have been looking for a new coach within 3 years.
However, Brees isn't the all time leading passer (or even close to it) without Payton. It was the perfect marriage for both.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:43 am to DBG
I think part of that what-if is implying Brees wouldn't have had the same success in Miami though, and is acknowledging Brees and Payton are a perfect pairing.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 11:08 pm to DBG
Brees would have went on to have a decent career in Miami but probably not lighting the world on fire like he is by having Payton designing an O around his strengths and weaknesses.
Saban is a tool and would not have done anything more with Brees than he did with Culpepper.
Saban is a tool and would not have done anything more with Brees than he did with Culpepper.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 11:27 pm to Zoltan
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tyrant style coach who rules by fear
I know 9 people that have either played football for Saban at LSU and Alabama and this is simply not true. He is an extremely discipline-minded coach but the respect he had earned with each of those men is undeniable. Not remotely a tyrant.
Saban had issues in the NFL because he went to Miami. Some franchises simply cannot get out of their own way.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:12 am to DBG
LSU had to sacrifice Nick Saban so that the Saints could get Drew Brees and win a Superbowl.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 7:41 am to saints5021
Saints would have gotten Culpeper if Miami took Brees.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 7:52 am to Meaux Bettah
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Saints would have gotten Culpeper if Miami took Brees
Sean said in an interview that the Saints had Josh McCown scheduled for an interview in 2006 before Drew signed
Sean has also said he expressed interest in a trade for Romo before the Cowboys knew what he was.
We also had the no.2 pick in the 2006 draft
It is almost a certainty the Saints would not have taken Daunte.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 10:56 pm to DBG
Brees + Payton is the perfect storm. Each apart would have had very good careers. Together, they are legendary and second to none. Kind of like Kevin Nash and Scott Hall in wresting. Neither was incredible alone, but together as a tag team, The Outsiders, they couldn't be beaten. LOL
This post was edited on 10/11/18 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 10/11/18 at 11:06 pm to DBG
Payton wouldn't be here if the raiders didnt turn him down. Everything happens for a reason, the stars aligned for the saints for once.
This post was edited on 10/11/18 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 10/12/18 at 3:10 am to bountyhunter
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Saban had issues in the NFL because he went to Miami. Some franchises simply cannot get out of their own way.
Didn’t Miami give him complete control?
Also you don’t have huge talent advantages in the NFL. Coaching and execution is what separates teams. Saban’s dominance in college is much more centered around having huge talent advantages.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 5:11 pm to burke985
Raiders didnt turn him down. Sean and Bill Parcells said he passed on the job offer. Cowboys ended up giving him a better contract to retain him. Sean took a chance on himself that the offers would keep coming.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 11:02 pm to partywiththelombardi
Actually Payton said they turned him down
Posted on 10/12/18 at 11:39 pm to partywiththelombardi
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We also had the no.2 pick in the 2006 draft
We would’ve been stuck with Leinart or Vince Young.
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