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2024 Saint and beyond (Cap and contractors)
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:11 am
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:11 am
I've seen that the Saints will be 70+ million over the cap in 2024 with what they have committed so far in contracts.
With all the horrible contracts they have on the books from chasing a ghost, How do they move forward? Keep in mind most if not all of these veteran restructured contract are untradeable simply because they will cost much more to have the player off the team.
How do you fix this team without adding much more to the already horrible contracts we have?
I know Mickey will find a way to restructure players and sign FAs and sign our picks but I'm thinking the only real way out of this is to ride out the bad contracts we have and add as much rookie depth as possible and hope we hit a few home runs in 2024 and 2025.
Or are the Saints trapped in a cycle of having to do bad restructures just to get under the cap every year.
With all the horrible contracts they have on the books from chasing a ghost, How do they move forward? Keep in mind most if not all of these veteran restructured contract are untradeable simply because they will cost much more to have the player off the team.
How do you fix this team without adding much more to the already horrible contracts we have?
I know Mickey will find a way to restructure players and sign FAs and sign our picks but I'm thinking the only real way out of this is to ride out the bad contracts we have and add as much rookie depth as possible and hope we hit a few home runs in 2024 and 2025.
Or are the Saints trapped in a cycle of having to do bad restructures just to get under the cap every year.
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:12 am to Snipe
Honestly, it may be time to harvest what you can from some of the veteran players and go into rebuild mode. This team is getting old and we have too much invested in older players.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:16 am to Snipe
We've been saying this for over a decade now. I think if things play out in a way that makes it conducive to rebuilding we'd have done it / we will do it.
It just hasn't really played out that way yet. Being in a soft division definitely doesn't help. It's tough getting a top 5 pick and landing a highly touted QB prospect when you have a veteran roster of mostly good guys and you play in the NFC South. There's no universe in which we don't win at least 6 or 7 games, even in a "bad luck" year like last season where we lost so many 50/50 games.
Also, we have been more disciplined with moves recently. We've retained a lot of our draft picks and that's a low key way of rolling over the roster and making it cheaper.
There's no reason why we can't win the NFC South this year and next year while still getting a healthier long-term financial future.
It just hasn't really played out that way yet. Being in a soft division definitely doesn't help. It's tough getting a top 5 pick and landing a highly touted QB prospect when you have a veteran roster of mostly good guys and you play in the NFC South. There's no universe in which we don't win at least 6 or 7 games, even in a "bad luck" year like last season where we lost so many 50/50 games.
Also, we have been more disciplined with moves recently. We've retained a lot of our draft picks and that's a low key way of rolling over the roster and making it cheaper.
There's no reason why we can't win the NFC South this year and next year while still getting a healthier long-term financial future.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 10:18 am
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:25 am to NOSHAU
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it may be time to harvest what you can from some of the veteran players and go into rebuild mode
As we are in first place in the division halfway into the season. GTFOH
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:28 am to redneck
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As we are in first place in the division halfway into the season. GTFOH
Some could say fools gold based on the division and the current cap situation.
Yes the Saints are the best of the South but the rest of the south is young and has positive looking caps for the near future.
Saints are old and living on borrowed time cap wise.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:43 am to SirWinston
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There's no reason why we can't win the NFC South this year and next year while still getting a healthier long-term financial future.
This is where I’m at. Let’s try to win with what we have while getting the cap situation in good shape. The division isn’t good enough for us to successfully tank. We’re almost assured to pick in the mid range regardless. So let’s just play and see what happens.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 10:43 am
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:46 am to Snipe
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Or are the Saints trapped in a cycle of having to do bad restructures just to get under the cap every year.
Unfortunately this is the way for the next several years even if their intent was simply to fix the contracts and get in a more manageable cap situation. As you point out, they are 70M+ over the cap next year (includes a $20M cap increase over 2023) and they only have 42 players under contract. So not only do they need to shave the $70M to get under, they also need to figure out how to add another 11 active players and 6-10 PS guys.
Plus, they are already starting 2025 $35M+ over the cap, and that roster only has 37 players.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:17 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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Unfortunately this is the way for the next several years even if their intent was simply to fix the contracts and get in a more manageable cap situation. As you point out, they are 70M+ over the cap next year (includes a $20M cap increase over 2023) and they only have 42 players under contract. So not only do they need to shave the $70M to get under, they also need to figure out how to add another 11 active players and 6-10 PS guys.
Plus, they are already starting 2025 $35M+ over the cap, and that roster only has 37 players.
This is my point.
Is there a way to bite the bullet and play out these contract or (Because they are so deep in the cap hell) do they have to continue to restructure not good contracts into terrible contracts that further this nightmare.
Can they trade valuable assets and kick in picks to get teams to eat some of this dead money? Seems to me they are caught in a whirlpool and its may eventually drag the whole team under.
Has a team ever fail to get under the cap? I( mean financially there was not way to cut, trade or restructure their way out of it?
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:19 pm to Snipe
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the rest of the south is young and has positive looking caps for the near future.
Yea but which of those teams has a QB of the future?
Posted on 11/6/23 at 4:01 pm to ned nederlander
Absurd to want to blow this team up. We are realistically a pass rusher and maybe one top OL away from having arguably a top 3 roster in the NFC along with Phi and SF.
I think some of these contract issues work themselves out because Howden likely takes Maye's spot next year. Cam has one more year. Tyrann doesnt have long left. Ram probably gets replaced because of his bad knees. Not to mention the salary cap will keep expanding.
I think some of these contract issues work themselves out because Howden likely takes Maye's spot next year. Cam has one more year. Tyrann doesnt have long left. Ram probably gets replaced because of his bad knees. Not to mention the salary cap will keep expanding.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 4:03 pm to redneck
quote:Note that I said "after this season." We are in 1st in a terrible division with one of the easiest schedules the team has had in decades. Players like Jordan, Thomas, Hill, Mathieu, Maye and Davis are not getting any younger ($90 million in cap next year) and Kamara, Ram and Lattimore make up over $70 million in cap next year (with Carr at $36 million). There comes a time when we have to admit that we have a lot of money invested in players that are either older or playing a position that does not command the salary any longer. Maybe we can get another year without rebuilding, but it would entail a commitment to these players by restructuring even more $$$ into the future again.
As we are in first place in the division halfway into the season. GTFOH
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 11/6/23 at 4:05 pm to NOSHAU
It's almost like a property owner wants to sell high.
Hmmmm
Hmmmm
Posted on 11/6/23 at 5:36 pm to ned nederlander
None. Just like us.
But again iirc none of them are 70 million over the 2024 cap so they have options.
But again iirc none of them are 70 million over the 2024 cap so they have options.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 6:43 pm to Snipe
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None. Just like us.
But again iirc none of them are 70 million over the 2024 cap so they have options.
But having cap space doesn’t solve your QB problem. Unless you want to sign Kurt cousins.
Let’s see how this season plays out, but So long as the saints have the best qb in the division I think you keep kicking the can down the road. I’m happy to hang banners during a terrible era of nfc south teams.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 6:59 pm to SirWinston
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even in a "bad luck" year like last season where we lost so many 50/50 games.
That's not bad luck, that's bad coaching.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:33 pm to NOSHAU
Should of done this 2 years ago
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:08 am to Hamma1122
I’m convinced a lot of you people are more focused on the draft than actual NFL football. It’s sad. You guys need to get some sunshine and lift weights.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:21 am to Snipe
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With all the horrible contracts they have on the books from chasing a ghost
List them
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:22 am to Hamma1122
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Should of
Have* and wrong
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:53 am to Proximo
The Saints are never in a terrible cap situation, because they pay today with tomorrow's dollars. Knowing that cap continues to go up and up, it is a solid strategy.
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