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Zion vs AD as prospects
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:19 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:19 am
I watched 25+ full games of both while they were in college. On the pod, I said AD would be a better version of David Robinson before he was drafted. That was my projection for him. Here is where I rank AD vs Zion as prospects coming out
Offense
Jump Shot - AD
Off reb/putbacks - Even
Handling - Zion
Passing - Zion
Post game - Zion
Mid post - Zion
Pick and pop - AD
Pick and roll - even
Transition - Zion
IQ - Zion
Screen setting - Zion
Defense
Perimeter D - Even
Interior (post) D - Zion
Rim Protection - AD
Def Rebounding - AD
Jump passing lanes (steals/deflections) - Zion
IQ - Zion
Communication - Zion
Intangibles
Leadership - Zion
Will - Zion
Likeability by teammates - Zion
Marketability - Zion
Coachability - Zion
Surrounding Family/friend circle - Zion
Any other categories I am missing? Agree/disagree on any categories?
Offense
Jump Shot - AD
Off reb/putbacks - Even
Handling - Zion
Passing - Zion
Post game - Zion
Mid post - Zion
Pick and pop - AD
Pick and roll - even
Transition - Zion
IQ - Zion
Screen setting - Zion
Defense
Perimeter D - Even
Interior (post) D - Zion
Rim Protection - AD
Def Rebounding - AD
Jump passing lanes (steals/deflections) - Zion
IQ - Zion
Communication - Zion
Intangibles
Leadership - Zion
Will - Zion
Likeability by teammates - Zion
Marketability - Zion
Coachability - Zion
Surrounding Family/friend circle - Zion
Any other categories I am missing? Agree/disagree on any categories?
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:29 am to Crewz
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Surrounding Family/friend circle - Zion
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:56 am to Crewz
I agree with most of your categories. If I had to nit pick I’d say:
-Off rebs/putbacks - AD bc AD 4 inches taller and long
But I’d also add:
Versatility - Zion
Player efficiency - even
Mid-range & back to the basket - AD
Creating for himself - Zion
Athleticism - Zion
Strength - Zion
Ability to take over games - Zion
The biggest worries about AD coming out were his strength, ability to be a leader/have that dog in him, & the will to take over a game. No questions about that with Zion
-Off rebs/putbacks - AD bc AD 4 inches taller and long
But I’d also add:
Versatility - Zion
Player efficiency - even
Mid-range & back to the basket - AD
Creating for himself - Zion
Athleticism - Zion
Strength - Zion
Ability to take over games - Zion
The biggest worries about AD coming out were his strength, ability to be a leader/have that dog in him, & the will to take over a game. No questions about that with Zion
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:57 am to DeionDeion
Zion has a MUCH better 2nd jump. Also harder to box out.
You might be forgetting rookie AD. He was a toothpick. Shooting guards could box him out.
You might be forgetting rookie AD. He was a toothpick. Shooting guards could box him out.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:00 am to DeionDeion
I’ve seen Zion get some rebounds you would never think he could. His hands are strong. Reminds me a lot of LeBron tbh with how he attack’s the boards.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:05 am to Crewz
Honestly you’re right. I compared Zion to AD now.
I did the same thing with the other comparisons. shite is Zion that good?
I did the same thing with the other comparisons. shite is Zion that good?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:10 am to DeionDeion
Zion is much better at 19 than AD. But to be fair, AD added a lot to his game by the time he was 25. It is not guaranteed that Zion will do the same. He could improve more.
But this thread is strictly talking about prospect AD vs prospect Zion
But this thread is strictly talking about prospect AD vs prospect Zion
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:14 am to Crewz
I think defensively, AD was superior as a prospect. But, offensively Zion has a much, much higher ceiling. I think his shooting definitely needs the work, but his ethic and coachability gives me confidence that it will. It's not a broken shot by any means. Just inconsistent. Much like LeBron when he came out. What sets him apart, which you have noted multiple times, is the the intangibles. He's humble even when handed all this fanfare. He's smart, hardworking, fierce, and the biggest thing is that "he hates to lose". We haven't had that since CP3 and I think Jrue even has adopted that mentality recently.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:18 am to BallHawk
That is far too broad. I broke it down in specific categories. There are some defensive things AD did better, for sure. But not everything.
AD was an inferior post defender. Patric Young, a guy who never played a minute in the NBA, bullied him like he was a little kid. AD didn't talk on D. He didn't jump the passing lane as well as Zion.
Be more specific and less general on the evaluation
AD was an inferior post defender. Patric Young, a guy who never played a minute in the NBA, bullied him like he was a little kid. AD didn't talk on D. He didn't jump the passing lane as well as Zion.
Be more specific and less general on the evaluation
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:47 am to Crewz
I mean...I didn't go back and watch 25 games of each. I can only go off of memory of AD in college.
I didn't think he had any offensive game in college outside of dunks and around the rim stuff. I thought he would be an elite defender and could develop his offensive game.
I would say that Zion is a much more advanced offensive player at the same age.
I didn't think he had any offensive game in college outside of dunks and around the rim stuff. I thought he would be an elite defender and could develop his offensive game.
I would say that Zion is a much more advanced offensive player at the same age.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:06 am to Crewz
I just hope he doesn’t have injury issues because of weight.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:07 am to Crewz
Physical build is one important area where Zion has 18 year old AD beat by a mile. AD was so slight coming into the league you had to ease him in slower to make sure you didn't risk major injury.
While I'm sure there's always room to improve, Zion's already a grown man and can handle the physicality of the league from the jump.
While I'm sure there's always room to improve, Zion's already a grown man and can handle the physicality of the league from the jump.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:10 am to CocoLoco
The one thing that I feel Williamson has a clear cut advantage over Davis even to this day is his Handles. That skill will allow the team to run their offense through Zion and give him the ability to close games with the ball in his hands. Davis will never be a natural closer like the other top players in the league.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:12 am to Fun Bunch
If you want back and watched games, you would see this offensive evaluation of AD is off
You probably are remembering the highlights, which were all dunks. Which is why those who didn't actually watch compared him to Camby. Anybody who actually watched saw he was far more skilled. He just was low usage because he wanted the other guys to get shots so they would play D
You probably are remembering the highlights, which were all dunks. Which is why those who didn't actually watch compared him to Camby. Anybody who actually watched saw he was far more skilled. He just was low usage because he wanted the other guys to get shots so they would play D
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:14 am to supe12sta12z
Yea in college, AD was largely dependent on others. I just remember him grabbing lobs and put backs all day (probably just watched all his highlight videos lol). No creating for himself, no ball-handling (even though everyone loved telling us AD use to be a point guard before his growth spurt)
Zion already has that thing inside him that says he wants the ball at the end of the game and everyone else clear out
Zion already has that thing inside him that says he wants the ball at the end of the game and everyone else clear out
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 10:16 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:15 am to Crewz
Yes I remember a lot of people saying that he COULD do more he just didn't need to and that wasn't his role.
I mean look, I'm not going to go back and watch games so appreciate the insight.
I did watch a lot of UK that year and was always amazed, but it was being amazed by him defensively and as an anchor, not for his offense. Which I get was a role thing.
I mean look, I'm not going to go back and watch games so appreciate the insight.
I did watch a lot of UK that year and was always amazed, but it was being amazed by him defensively and as an anchor, not for his offense. Which I get was a role thing.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:20 am to Fun Bunch
Well, I remember AD not scoring in the championship game.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:23 am to Fun Bunch
What I saw from Davis was flashes of offensive potential. Some plays looked like he could handle the ball as well as a guard, some plays showed off his smooth looking stroke, and there were plays where he flashes post moves as well as puck and roll offensive and good touch. But they are not frequent enough to definitely say he would have an offensive arsenal. Nothing looked natural at the time.
I don’t believe anyone thought he could as good offensively as he is today. I thought 20/15 was his absolute ceiling and he would be more likely to average close to 15ppg than 20ppg. I still can’t believe he developed the way he did based on what we saw in college. I thought he’d be more of a defensive juggernaut vs offensive juggernaut.
I don’t believe anyone thought he could as good offensively as he is today. I thought 20/15 was his absolute ceiling and he would be more likely to average close to 15ppg than 20ppg. I still can’t believe he developed the way he did based on what we saw in college. I thought he’d be more of a defensive juggernaut vs offensive juggernaut.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:51 am to Crewz
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Post game - Zion
Isn't that one of his weaknesses, his low post game?
I understand we are comparing prospect to prospect, so i'd say neither really had much of anything.
quote:
Likeability by teammates - Zion
Before this season, never heard a bad thing about AD as a teammate.
I'd just put Zion for everything. I get more and more excited each day.
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