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re: Zach Lowe discusses the Pelicans draft night at length
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:18 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:18 pm to Fun Bunch
The surprising thing to me is that Dumars started offering this deal at #9, and no one was willing to take it until #13. If this deal was so unbelievably good for Atlanta, the question then becomes why the teams that drafted at #9-#12 didn't take it.
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:20 pm to Townedrunkard
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We traded DD, Ingram, and three first picks, two being totally unprotected, with a result that yielded Murray and a move up ten spots
Why do you keep saying this. It's not true and part of ingrams return got us jordan Poole.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:24 pm to GOP_Tiger
We supposedly had Fears at #5 and Queen at #6 on our board. From the perspective of Joe Dumars, we were trading up to get the #6 player in the draft. From that perspective, we didn't overpay.
But that's where it becomes critical that the scouting is correct. If Derik Queen does not become one of the top six players in this year's draft class, this trade and this pick will hang on Joe Dumars's neck like a millstone.
But that's where it becomes critical that the scouting is correct. If Derik Queen does not become one of the top six players in this year's draft class, this trade and this pick will hang on Joe Dumars's neck like a millstone.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:25 pm to GOP_Tiger
11 was the first trade and my guess is 23 was too far back for those teams to feel comfortable pulling the trigger. They still wanted their guy in this draft too.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:25 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The surprising thing to me is that Dumars started offering this deal at #9,
Where did you hear that?
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:26 pm to bstaceyau19
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In the NFL Draft, the media focuses on the players drafted and whether or not a particular player was a reach or not at a given position and/or for the price cost at trade. The focus is on the player and his potential ability.
In the NBA Draft, the media focuses on what some ping pong balls may do a year from now and how a 5-15% chance of something happening with those balls warrants shutting down all trade possibilities when there is a player you want available. The actual skills of the player involved are not discussed or discussed very little compared to ping pong.
Because the 2 drafts are very different and the NBA is still highly skewed towards value being at the very top.
That's why those ping pong ball %s matter, as well as the strength of next year's class
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:28 pm to GOP_Tiger
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and this pick will hang on Joe Dumars's neck like a millstone.
Gayle won’t care as long as he’s still at mass every Sunday. So it’s really a risk free move for Joe. Your peers may be laughing at you but those checks won’t stop rolling in anytime soon
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:29 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The surprising thing to me is that Dumars started offering this deal at #9, and no one was willing to take it until #13. If this deal was so unbelievably good for Atlanta, the question then becomes why the teams that drafted at #9-#12 didn't take it.
I always made this argument about the Mike Ditka / Ricky Williams trade. FOUR teams rejected it before the Redskins said "yes".
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:34 pm to AOC4PREZ2028
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Where did you hear that?
Will Guillory in The Athletic.
And my point is that if the trade had been to move up to #9 and take Queen, then the trade would look more reasonable, and people would be mocking us less. But it would have been for the same player!
That's why I so strongly disagree with those who are trying to separate the player from the trade value, and why I think that's ridiculous.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:36 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:46 pm to AOC4PREZ2028
Dumars said it in his draft press conference
Which was a great watch by the way.
Which was a great watch by the way.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:51 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Dumars said it in his draft press conference
Which was a great watch by the way.
Thanks! I'll check it out.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:56 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Why do you keep saying this. It's not true and part of ingrams return got us jordan Poole.
Ummm it’s 100% true.
DD was traded along with the lakers pick this year. That’s one first.
The second first was the lesser of our and the bucks pick next year.
The third first is the greater one Dumars send out last night. They are both unprotected next year. The Bucks and Pels can both end up hitting the lotto and the Hawks get them both now.
And then Ingram, or a 4th first rounder however you want to see it that was 23 this year.
What don’t you understand? And what part of Ingram’s return got us Poole? Olynk? Bey probably has more value. That was just a contract. CJ got us Poole.
Ingram’s return was a first. The 4th first.
The first we send out to move up. You keep whacking my threads that are 100% correct.
We traded a 21 year old DPOY type player, three firsts and Ingram for Murray and the right to draft Queen.
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 6/26/25 at 5:01 pm to BilJ
Ryen 
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 6/26/25 at 5:28 pm to Fun Bunch
Not much insight there. I think this is being blown out of proportion, and they all acknowledge that if the picks both work out (they all seem to like the players just fine), it’s not a bad deal.
The thing that is being missed is the Pelicans have some control here, they can get better and find a way out of the lottery with other roster moves. Sure, there is a bucks swap option, but they will likely be in the playoffs again.
I’m not trying to say that he FO knows what they are doing, that remains to be seen, but they shouldn’t be handcuffed by bad decisions made before them while trying to put the roster together. I got to say I respect the bold move, while also acknowledging it’s a risk.
The tank incentive has been eliminated, I actually really like that and think the NBA has suffered greatly from the tank mentality. We have been in a holding pattern for too long, this forces our hand and puts tremendous pressure on the FO.
All that said, I like both players we got, I really like Fears and suspect management felt good enough about that pick to not wait around until next year.
All that said, the time to melt is now, and I’m posting on Pelicans talk which is meltier than the finest queso. So I understand the reaction
The thing that is being missed is the Pelicans have some control here, they can get better and find a way out of the lottery with other roster moves. Sure, there is a bucks swap option, but they will likely be in the playoffs again.
I’m not trying to say that he FO knows what they are doing, that remains to be seen, but they shouldn’t be handcuffed by bad decisions made before them while trying to put the roster together. I got to say I respect the bold move, while also acknowledging it’s a risk.
The tank incentive has been eliminated, I actually really like that and think the NBA has suffered greatly from the tank mentality. We have been in a holding pattern for too long, this forces our hand and puts tremendous pressure on the FO.
All that said, I like both players we got, I really like Fears and suspect management felt good enough about that pick to not wait around until next year.
All that said, the time to melt is now, and I’m posting on Pelicans talk which is meltier than the finest queso. So I understand the reaction
Posted on 6/26/25 at 6:20 pm to Townedrunkard
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CJ got us Poole.
No, cj and olynk got us bey and poole. You cant just erase parts of a trade to justify your argument.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 6:23 pm to GOP_Tiger
a good point from hollinger
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Execs I talked to thought New Orleans could have moved up much higher than 13th if they had made that pick more widely available, perhaps even into the top 5.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 6:25 pm to cgrand
That makes me sick, man
Posted on 6/26/25 at 6:27 pm to cgrand
What teams were willing to trade down? I don't see any before 11.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 6:29 pm to GOP_Tiger
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If this deal was so unbelievably good for Atlanta, the question then becomes why the teams that drafted at #9-#12 didn't take it.
As good is the deal is for Atlanta and could’ve been for 9-12 it is not going to help those clubs this year. Perhaps they have ownership that expects to improve and win now or else.
Atlanta with a new GM can play the long game a bit more.
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