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re: Windhorst: Vaughn "Gaining Traction"
Posted on 6/25/21 at 8:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 6/25/21 at 8:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
Its going to be Lee, but I dont know why. His coaching has been horrible in these playoffs. Probably going to cost the Bucks a shot at the championship.
I vote we go for Hill from the Hawks
I vote we go for Hill from the Hawks
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Posted on 6/25/21 at 8:20 pm to DJ3K
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Its going to be Lee, but I dont know why. His coaching has been horrible in these playoffs.
How do you know which part of the coaching is his to say he’s been bad?
Posted on 6/25/21 at 8:29 pm to TigerinATL
I feel like he trolling. Esp with the hill comment.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 8:49 pm to GOP_Tiger
I didn't see it linked yet, but Will Guillory over at The Athletic did a full profile on Vaughn earlier today:
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Some key bits:
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Some key bits:
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Why it makes sense
Vaughn checks a lot of the boxes the Pelicans should be looking for with this hire.
He’s a former player with a championship pedigree and 12 years of experience dealing with different personalities.
He got experience as a head coach during his time in Orlando, even if it was mostly a disaster. So it’s not like he’ll have a big learning curve walking into a head coaching job.
He puts a major emphasis on developing relationships with his players off the court and learning what they care about away from basketball.
He showed creativity and flexibility with his moves to push an injury-depleted Nets squad during the NBA Bubble.
He already has a relationship with Pelicans general manager Trajan Langdon from their time together with the Nets.
After the dysfunction and bad blood that poisoned the Van Gundy era in New Orleans, Vaughn could serve as a calming figure who unites all sides and relieves some of the tension around the organization. The hope would be that he could serve as a Monty Williams-like figure who demands respect because of his character and work ethic.
Members of the Brooklyn front office and players have been effusive in their praise of Vaughn because of the role he played in shaping their culture and his adaptability during the enormous amount of change they’ve undergone.
The Nets have been one of the most innovative organizations in the league with the way they’ve developed their offense over time and the work they’ve done to groom their young talent. Bringing in a coach who embraces a system with more ball movement and a better understanding of the younger players on the roster will be crucial for this hire in New Orleans.
Vaughn also has a deep understanding of the most important position in today’s NBA: point guard. He’s worked with players such as Kyrie Irving, D’Angelo Russell and Spencer Dinwiddie. Bringing in a coach like Vaughn could help address the backcourt issues that plagued the Pelicans all season. In addition, he’d be a great person for guys such as Kira Lewis and Nickeil Alexander-Walker (and maybe Lonzo Ball) to learn from.
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Biggest questions
- How concerning should it be that Vaughn’s teams were so bad in Orlando?
- Why did the Nets pass him over and hire Steve Nash if they thought so highly of him?
- Does he have the personality to galvanize a team that’s been too laid-back at times?
- Can he be the person who finally institutes a defensive culture in New Orleans?
- How will his personality fit with David Griffin and the rest of the front-office staff?
- Is he the right person to lead a team that will be under major scrutiny if it fails to make the playoffs again?
- Would he push his guards to run the offense more, or would he lean into Point Zion as much as Van Gundy did?
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
This is gonna be another hire I’m not gonna be thrilled about and try to convince myself it’s a solid one. Seems like it’s definitely gonna be Vaughn now
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:17 pm to Macintosh
The cronyism is what concerns me. This front office hasn’t learned a damn thing. Stop hiring your fricking friends. Hire someone that isn’t afraid to tell you that you are full of shite. That’s how real growth happens.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 10:24 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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The cronyism is what concerns me. This front office hasn’t learned a damn thing. Stop hiring your fricking friends.
I don't think it's about hiring "friends". I think it's about eliminating risk because you know more about this candidate than the other candidates. Honestly, if the the FO is going to insist on being involved with coaching they need to hire someone they know they can work with.
To me the bigger deal than the coach is the direction of the team that the FO sets. I don't want them to be as one dimensional as they were under Gentry focused so much on pace, but they need to lean into their strengths. If winning with defense is how you're going to measure success you need to trade Ingram now.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 12:25 am to eyeran
quote:That was Orlando's GM after they hired Vaughn. Ended up having one of the worst tenures in the history of the sport.
"We really wanted to find a coach who embodies the type of culture and identity that we're trying to build here..."
"We feel that Jacque's toughness, humility and attention to detail personifies the types of values that will help define our program. We were just really impressed throughout the interview process with his presence and his intellect and his passion for preparation."
"As we navigated through our coaching search, we quickly saw that Jacque's spirit and leadership strengths made him the clear choice. "We are confident that his diligence, attention to detail and communication style will help establish the bedrock of our culture moving forward. His commitment and passion to building a sustainable program will help steer our organization for years to come."
Sounds a whole lot like the reasons im reading we're about to hire him.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 11:54 am to GOP_Tiger
tell us who is on staff and on the roster next season, and we can tell ya if vuaghn will be successful or not
Posted on 6/26/21 at 12:04 pm to GOP_Tiger
Man I’m not gonna lie that article talking about the positives of a Vaughn hire were really not convincing at all. Some cookie cutter type reasons
Posted on 6/26/21 at 12:21 pm to eyeran
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That was Orlando's GM after they hired Vaughn. Ended up having one of the worst tenures in the history of the sport.
Sounds a whole lot like the reasons im reading we're about to hire him.
If a coach is available right now it’s because they’re unproven or failed once before at minimum.
Monty Williams was fired too. So was Is that even an inkling in the minds of Suns fans right now? What about Nate McMillan? Blazers and Pacers fired him. Atlanta better ax him before it’s too late.
Or things are always way more nuanced and people improve over time at their jobs typically.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:31 pm to Eman5805
I see what you are saying but
Monty and Nate were flawed, but actually winning coaches that made the Playoffs. Monty won a coach of the year in New Orleans. Nate might have too at one point with the Blazers or Pacers.
Vaughn winning 28% of his games in Orlando isn’t in the same stratosphere of early Nate or Monty.
Monty and Nate were flawed, but actually winning coaches that made the Playoffs. Monty won a coach of the year in New Orleans. Nate might have too at one point with the Blazers or Pacers.
Vaughn winning 28% of his games in Orlando isn’t in the same stratosphere of early Nate or Monty.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:35 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:when?
Monty won a coach of the year in New Orleans
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:37 pm to Eman5805
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Monty Williams was fired too. So was Is that even an inkling in the minds of Suns fans right now? What about Nate McMillan? Blazers and Pacers fired him. Atlanta better ax him before it’s too late
Monty improved this team every year after CP3 left and Nate was in the playoffs every year with the pacers. Both at least had some success and signs of capability as a head coach. Vaughn’s teams literally got worse every year. With not much improvement from his young players.
I just think comparing Vaughn to Monty and Nates previous jobs is a bad take
This post was edited on 6/26/21 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:42 pm to Macintosh
Maybe I am misremembering lol
I do know He and Nate actually had success though whereas Vaughn has had zero.
Comping them is ridiculous as you have also accurately outlined.
I do know He and Nate actually had success though whereas Vaughn has had zero.
Comping them is ridiculous as you have also accurately outlined.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:45 pm to Macintosh
I'll point this out and ask again, are we just ignoring or just unaware that Vaughn took over for Atkinson after Atkinson lost that locker room and went 7-3 and was praised from top to bottom from the FO to players and would have been the Brooklyn head coach if not for KD and Nash's relationship?
Not saying that erases the questions, but not sure why we aren't also incorporating into this conversation that like Nate, Vaughn demonstrated growth as a coach when given he opportunity, albeit a limited sample size.
Not saying that erases the questions, but not sure why we aren't also incorporating into this conversation that like Nate, Vaughn demonstrated growth as a coach when given he opportunity, albeit a limited sample size.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:49 pm to Bronc
quote:yes, I don’t think a 10 game sample size in a bubble while getting swept in the playoff should be a reason to completely forget his past head coaching experiences or a clear cut sign of improvement.
'll point this out and ask again, are we just ignoring or just unaware that Vaughn took over for Atkinson after Atkinson lost that locker room and went 7-3 and was praised from top to bottom from the FO to players and would have been the Brooklyn head coach if not for KD and Nash's relationship?
Nate has had 50+ games this season to show his fit with this Hawks squad as HC. And you show a drastic improvement from that team
This post was edited on 6/26/21 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:51 pm to Bronc
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I'll point this out and ask again, are we just ignoring or just unaware that Vaughn took over for Atkinson after Atkinson lost that locker room and went 7-3 and was praised from top to bottom from the FO to players and would have been the Brooklyn head coach if not for KD and Nash's relationship?
We’re ignoring it. Because it’s fricking dumb
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:52 pm to Macintosh
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yes, I don’t think a 10 game sample size in a bubble while getting swept in the playoff should be a reason to completely forget his past head coaching experiences or a clear cut sign of improvement.
Come on man, at least try here:
Not saying that erases the questions, but not sure why we aren't also incorporating into this conversation that like Nate, Vaughn demonstrated growth as a coach when given he opportunity, albeit a limited sample size.
No one is saying that shite, but ignoring it comes off like you have an agenda. It's real, it's part of his work history, no reason we shouldn't be looking at the whole of his body of work, not just the worst parts of it.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:53 pm to Hester Carries
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We’re ignoring it. Because it’s fricking dumb
Well man, you convinced me with that thorough argument you put forth....
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