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re: Willie was with Zion on the sideline last night
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:19 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:19 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
Not sure that I will bet on Herb, because I think that Dyson might end up making some people question whether Herb is the best defender on the team.
IF Willie thinks Dyson is EVEN CLOSE...to being the defensive player that Herb is...he will have Dyson getting more minutes than Herb, by midseason...& rightfully so.
But...he doesn't...and so, he won't...& rightfully so.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 9:25 pm
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:36 pm to Dinky Mulberry
They are really good at different things. Dyson is great on ball with anticipation kind of like Jrue was. Herb is great on ball too, but I feel he has better instincts for what the offense is going to do and not just the individual. Like when he stops multiple players on the same play.
In an ideal world Dyson and Trey get strong enough to bang down low on defense and Dyson and Herb become good enough on offense so you can have a positionless death lineup of Dyson/Herb/Trey/Bi/Zion.
In before brmark asks who guards the other team’s point guard.
In an ideal world Dyson and Trey get strong enough to bang down low on defense and Dyson and Herb become good enough on offense so you can have a positionless death lineup of Dyson/Herb/Trey/Bi/Zion.
In before brmark asks who guards the other team’s point guard.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:45 pm to TigerinATL
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In an ideal world Dyson and Trey get strong enough to bang down low on defense and Dyson and Herb become good enough on offense so you can have a death lineup of Dyson/Herb/Trey/Bi/Zion.
To be clear, I think Herb & Dyson would be great, on the floor together...eventually...& each would be much more effective, when on the court at the same time. I'm actually more optimistic on Dyson's future value...than I am Trey...strange as that sounds to most around here. Trey could VERY easily end up being a one-trick pony...and his one trick...could end up being fairly easy to neutralize.
Just my opinion...I COULD be wrong.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:57 pm to Soggymoss
I personally don't consider Doc a sucessful coach 
He had some of the best teams of all-time loaded with talent and has 1 ring.
He is a god awful gameday coach. He puts out terrible rotations, makes no adjustments when things aren't working, has no idea what a timeout is, and then he blames the players or refs faults instead of himself.
Doc Rivers is 16-33 in playoff games when they have 3 wins...That is just absurd.
How does that compare with the great coaches:
Popovich 33-14
Spoelstra 21-11
Kerr 23-11
Malone 8-4
He has lost 5 home game 7s.
7 teams have blown 3-1 leads this century...Doc's teams accound for 3 of the 7 blown leads.
He is a damn good motivator and regular season coach but in a playoff series when teams are more thoroughly scouted and adjustments become much more crucial...Doc flounders.
I think if Doc actually listened to his assistants more often and not be so damn stubborn with his terrible rotations, he'd have at least a few more Finals appearances if not 2 more rings.
He had some of the best teams of all-time loaded with talent and has 1 ring.
He is a god awful gameday coach. He puts out terrible rotations, makes no adjustments when things aren't working, has no idea what a timeout is, and then he blames the players or refs faults instead of himself.
Doc Rivers is 16-33 in playoff games when they have 3 wins...That is just absurd.
How does that compare with the great coaches:
Popovich 33-14
Spoelstra 21-11
Kerr 23-11
Malone 8-4
He has lost 5 home game 7s.
7 teams have blown 3-1 leads this century...Doc's teams accound for 3 of the 7 blown leads.
He is a damn good motivator and regular season coach but in a playoff series when teams are more thoroughly scouted and adjustments become much more crucial...Doc flounders.
I think if Doc actually listened to his assistants more often and not be so damn stubborn with his terrible rotations, he'd have at least a few more Finals appearances if not 2 more rings.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:37 am to Dinky Mulberry
quote:
IF Willie thinks Dyson is EVEN CLOSE...to being the defensive player that Herb is...he will have Dyson getting more minutes than Herb, by midseason...& rightfully so. But...he doesn't...and so, he won't...& rightfully so.
quote:
I'm actually more optimistic on Dyson's future value...than I am Trey
These 2 things don’t make sense. Dyson has primarily mastered his defense much like Herb has. Neither are great shooters.
Herb: Defense- Elite. Offense- Mid
Trey: Defense- Mid. Offense- Elite
Dyson: Defense- Elite Offense- Mid
I’d argue that Dyson has shown more potential in 1 year with his struggles than Trey/ Herb.
Trey was hot n cold rookie year on offense and defense was not great.
Herb was great on Defense but his offense was that bad.
Dyson was great on defense and had several moments showing his offensive has potential. I also won’t forget about his ALMOST triple double.
If he can get 10/8/8 type stats lines…
Herb could just as easily be the 1 trick pony
Just saying, too early to tell for any of them.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:55 am to Dinky Mulberry
I posed the question of having a GSW shut down unit consist of Dyson/BI/Herb/Trey/Zion out there or just any high powered offense.
Trey and Herb would have to take that next step in rebounding and Zion would have to actually put some effort in defending but imagine having Dyson and Herb on Curry and Thompson while still being able to be dangerous on the other side of the court.
If Trey could just elevate another 15% this year id feel a whole lot better in general about the team overall.
Trey and Herb would have to take that next step in rebounding and Zion would have to actually put some effort in defending but imagine having Dyson and Herb on Curry and Thompson while still being able to be dangerous on the other side of the court.
If Trey could just elevate another 15% this year id feel a whole lot better in general about the team overall.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:27 am to Dantheman504
quote:
Dyson has primarily mastered his defense
Based on what?
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:37 am to TackySweater
Is this where you take the word “mastered” and use it to compare a 19 y/o his rookie year to the greatest NBA defenders of all time?
Based on his defensive abilities last year pal. His games vs Lebron/ Doncic were great examples but there are many other examples too.
If you watched last year you would know this is a dumb question. And if this was a gotcha reference to my first statement above then it was also a stupid statement.
Based on his defensive abilities last year pal. His games vs Lebron/ Doncic were great examples but there are many other examples too.
If you watched last year you would know this is a dumb question. And if this was a gotcha reference to my first statement above then it was also a stupid statement.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:38 am to 50_Tiger
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I posed the question of having a GSW shut down unit consist of Dyson/BI/Herb/Trey/Zion out there or just any high powered offense.
I want to see this lineup so badly
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:39 am to Dantheman504
quote:I think everyone knows he doesn't watch, he just trolls this board.
If you watched last year
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:59 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
I posed the question of having a GSW shut down unit consist of Dyson/BI/Herb/Trey/Zion out there or just any high powered offense.
Warriors are just a very unique offense. (Thanks to Draymond) Having BOTH Herb & Dyson on the court is a huge advantage versus their style of offense. NO way I "waste" Herb chasing Curry around...until Draymond finally sets one of his fabulous picks to get Curry matched up with...well, heaven help us, whoever it is that WAS guarding Draymond. And we're left with Herb "guarding" Draymond.
So...we put Herb on Draymond. Dyson on Curry. If they wanna let Draymond "pick" Dyson off Curry and send Curry at Herb...one on one with no further picks...be my guest. IF...Draymond is not picking...Herb can just float around, be a great help defender...leave DG open for 3s, or wide open 15' jumpers or whatever DG wants to do offensively. This is just one example of why it is SO important to find a way to get Herb AND Dyson on the court, at the same time. (BTW: Would STILL be nice to have a legit rim-protector waiting to cover up those backdoors...I'll be glad when we find one)
Posted on 7/13/23 at 10:13 am to Dinky Mulberry
I agree about the legit rim defender.
I say zone defense with Zion protecting the rim/ blocking paint. BI, Dyson, and Herb all have the abilities to get to their spot or play help defense.
Trey vs Draymond
Herb vs Steph
Dyson vs Klay
BI vs Wiggins or whoever
Zion vs not chasing guys to the 3pt line
I say zone defense with Zion protecting the rim/ blocking paint. BI, Dyson, and Herb all have the abilities to get to their spot or play help defense.
Trey vs Draymond
Herb vs Steph
Dyson vs Klay
BI vs Wiggins or whoever
Zion vs not chasing guys to the 3pt line
Posted on 7/13/23 at 10:17 am to Dinky Mulberry
Zion and Steph are going to get there’s regardless. I trust the rest of our team to close out well on everyone else.
At that point it’s a wash and a battle of
Zion (Offense) vs aging Draymond
And
Herb (Defense) vs Steph
I’m more confident of Herb impacting Steph than Draymond impacting a healthy Zion
At that point it’s a wash and a battle of
Zion (Offense) vs aging Draymond
And
Herb (Defense) vs Steph
I’m more confident of Herb impacting Steph than Draymond impacting a healthy Zion
Posted on 7/13/23 at 10:50 am to Dantheman504
quote:
Trey vs Draymond
Herb vs Steph
Dyson vs Klay
BI vs Wiggins or whoever
Zion vs not chasing guys to the 3pt line
With this matchup...EVERY time down the court...Kerr would have Draymond setting a pick (or 2 or 3 or however many it took) to get Curry matched up on Trey while Herb was left guarding Draymond. This is NOT a good situation...for the Pels.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 11:03 am to Dinky Mulberry
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With this matchup...EVERY time down the court...Kerr would have Draymond setting a pick (or 2 or 3 or however many it took) to get Curry matched up on Trey while Herb was left guarding Draymond. This is NOT a good situation...for the Pels.
And? Trey isn't some lumbering 6'10" guy. He has some lateral mobility and a lot of length to bother a short shooter like Steph. Is it an ideal matchup? Nope. Is it so bad that GS would abandon their entire offense to repeatedly attempt to exploit it? Absolutely not.
Steph is going to cook half the league, so it's silly to act like him switching onto Trey would change everything.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 11:04 am
Posted on 7/13/23 at 11:08 am to Dinky Mulberry
quote:
IF Willie thinks Dyson is EVEN CLOSE...to being the defensive player that Herb is...he will have Dyson getting more minutes than Herb, by midseason...& rightfully so.
I wish I felt that way, but Dyson's shooting in summer league has been alarming for me. 2 for 16 from deep is not going to get it done. Hopefully he is just pressing to be an offensive leader on that squad.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 11:08 am to Dinky Mulberry
quote:It's Steph Curry, you aren't going to find a team that won't get stuck in a bad switch on Steph Curry because they have 5 elite defenders.
With this matchup...EVERY time down the court...Kerr would have Draymond setting a pick (or 2 or 3 or however many it took) to get Curry matched up on Trey while Herb was left guarding Draymond. This is NOT a good situation...for the Pels.
Flip side, Pels set a pick and get Curry guarding Zion on the other side of the ball. I like Zion's chances with Steph on him more than Steph's chances with Trey on him
Posted on 7/13/23 at 11:09 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:It's definitely not good. And obviously best case scenario is he can shoot the 3 competently.
I wish I felt that way, but Dyson's shooting in summer league has been alarming for me. 2 for 16 from deep is not going to get it done. Hopefully he is just pressing to be an offensive leader on that squad.
But for the short term, it's not necessary. If he can just show he can run point in the NBA at a solid level, I'd take either one. That also involves not being scared or aggressive enough at the rim.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/13/23 at 11:14 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:
And? Trey isn't some lumbering 6'10" guy. He has some lateral mobility and a lot of length to bother a short shooter like Steph. Is it an ideal matchup? Nope. Is it so bad that GS would abandon their entire offense to repeatedly attempt to exploit it? Absolutely not.
OK...maybe you're right. I would just prefer to have Dyson guarding Curry...or Herb guarding Curry...after the inevitable pick from DG. And it's just my opinion but...I think Kerr would love to have the Curry vs Trey option EVERY time down the court even if that means they "abandon their entire offense". (Maybe I shoulda said "crunch time" or every time they wish to have their best shot at scoring...instead of "every time"
Posted on 7/13/23 at 11:24 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:
I wish I felt that way, but Dyson's shooting in summer league has been alarming for me. 2 for 16 from deep is not going to get it done. Hopefully he is just pressing to be an offensive leader on that squad.
I agree with shel. The thing is...we need at least ONE of the two, either Herb or DD...to shoot very close to league average (36%?) from 3. I think that's gonna be Herb with DD hopefully, eventually approaching that %. We can live with DD shooting 32/33% or to be honest, WHATEVER... as long as he can run the offense effectively & create off the dribble for others...& PLAY THAT D !!
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