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re: Which Ryno trade do you like the best?

Posted on 2/6/16 at 6:11 am to
Posted by LSU1SLU
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 2/6/16 at 6:11 am to
If we ever get Kris Humphries I will not watch another pelicans game till he is gone lol
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 2/6/16 at 7:32 am to
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Asik has been playing well


No doubt.

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think he WOULD play more minutes right now if two of QPon, Reke, and Gordon were healthy


Fair point. Not sure if Gentry would play him much more, but he would fit better w/o Cole/Gee.

Same time, Asik and Anderson dont really fit together. So you've backed yourself into either moving the better player or locking into a 3 man big rotation that doesn't work for another 3/4 years.

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That 5mil/yr for AA is purely a contract number to even things out in future trade as the cap hikes 


Sure and that makes some sense. But if AA is admittedly trade filler, you don't sign him for 4 years. No one is taking on a 28 yo 4th/5th big with 3/$15 left. Thats a salary dump you attach to an asset. Signing trade filler for a potential move 2-3 years down the line reeks of outsmarting yourself.

Same thing with Asik. Hes been better lately, but he's 29, has had some injury issues the past 3 years, and is seeing his utility decrease. Maybe they find an Anderson replacement that is more mobile and can play better with Asik. Maybe we see some absurd deals that make these look better, but,for me, it's more bringing back both guys, given their skills and fit, and the years than the $ itself.

IMO, the contract length and player value for these 2 guys make them very difficult to trade for at least a couple of years, if not as expirings.
Posted by GeauxTigers6447
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:20 am to
I would prefer to pay Ryno whatever it takes over any of those trades.
Posted by CP3forMVP
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:58 am to
Any of them.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:40 am to
Mo, come on down!
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:01 am to
Oubre/Humphries >>>>> Morris/1st >>>>>>>>> Others
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
29855 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:28 am to
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Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: The Toronto Raptors. They sit just two games behind the Cavs in the East and are a power forward away from really giving them a scare. The Raptors have a valuable 2016 lottery pick -- the lesser of the Nuggets' and Knicks' first-round picks -- to offer teams. If that can land them an upgrade over Luis Scola and Patrick Patterson, they need to bite.


If this is possibly on the table, we really need to look into it.
Posted by chesty
Flap City C.C.
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:37 am to
If we get Kris Humphries can we pickup a lower tier Kardashian sister too? I'd take Kylie or Khloe.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:37 am to
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If this is possibly on the table, we really need to look into it.


Yeah. I've seen Toronto bloggers say they don't think they'd trade a 1st for a rental, but with as wide open as the East is and as high as the team's expectations are (becoming Lakers East), they have to be willing to go pretty far to increase their odds at making the ECF. They also have always been a potential Ryno destination because they don't have any better options at PF, so them resigning him to play starters minutes isn't crazy.
Posted by dafif5
Member since Nov 2012
629 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:45 am to
Stein just tweeted Orlando is listening to offers for Harris. Most likely would have to be a 3 team deal because we really don't have anything to offer them that they would want.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:55 am to
Nate Duncan trade deadline pod part 2 had Anderson to Toronto for their own 2016 1st, 2017 2nd, Scola, Nogueria, Bennett. Not an awful deal for the Pels, Nogueria might be useful down the line.

With Derozan being UFA, I don't see them giving up a likely lottery pick to get Anderson, also an UFA.

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:17 am to
I'm fine with their own 1st. I don't know much about Nogueria, but I like getting a mid 1st round 7 foot center on a rookie contract. We need to hit on a young big like that so the team feels comfortable dumping Asik for nothing or even paying a little to move him when we need the cap space. Top 6 Pels pick + Nogueira + a wing like Taurean Prince with the Raptors pick, 2 years from now you hopefully have 2 20-25 MPG rotation players and a starter or better on rookie contracts instead of Asik, Gordon/Tyreke, QPon/GapingHoleatSF.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 10:18 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:22 am to
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Nate Duncan trade deadline pod part 2 had Anderson to Toronto for their own 2016 1st, 2017 2nd, Scola, Nogueria, Bennett. Not an awful deal for the Pels, Nogueria might be useful down the line.


If this team was pretty competitive right now, I would have loved to get my hands on Tobias Harris.

Now I kind of think "What's the point?"

I really just want to get rid of as many contracts as possible, acquire picks and players on rookie deals, and get as much of a blank slate (besides AD and possibly Jrue) for a new GM as possible.
Posted by dafif5
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:47 am to
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If this team was pretty competitive right now, I would have loved to get my hands on Tobias Harris.

Now I kind of think "What's the point?"

I really just want to get rid of as many contracts as possible, acquire picks and players on rookie deals, and get as much of a blank slate (besides AD and possibly Jrue) for a new GM as possible.


I think Harris would be perfect next to Jrue and AD. An AD, Jrue, Harris core would be a good foundation to build on going into next season. 4 years at 16 mil per with the new cap next year will be a decent contract IMO.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 11:05 am to
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The Raptors have a valuable 2016 lottery pick -- the lesser of the Nuggets' and Knicks' first-round picks


That would be legit as frick.
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17548 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 11:15 am to
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The last two years with Gordon has shown that Demps won't sell for the sake of selling a bad contract if it means he's selling low


So Demps is out dempsing demps.

:mindblown:
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 12:11 pm to
Another reason Toronto makes sense for Ryno, they won't have any functional cap space if they bring back DeRozan. Trading for Ryno would give them Bird Rights, otherwise they're looking at the same team they have now plus the MLE. It's the situation we were in when we traded for Asik. It was the only way we could add a player of that caliber. They don't have to trade for Ryno, but they need to trade for someone if they want to upgrade their talent level and keep on an upward trajectory.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127733 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 1:00 pm to
And I'm not sure how much good 1st round draft picks do that team anyway. If its NYK's pick its around 12 and that player wouldn't get any play on that team. Ryno would be a great addition for them.
Posted by patendedgmf
BR
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 1:09 pm to
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Another reason Toronto makes sense for Ryno, they won't have any functional cap space if they bring back DeRozan. Trading for Ryno would give them Bird Rights, otherwise they're looking at the same team they have now plus the MLE. It's the situation we were in when we traded for Asik. It was the only way we could add a player of that caliber. They don't have to trade for Ryno, but they need to trade for someone if they want to upgrade their talent level and keep on an upward trajectory.

If they do it by sending us Patrick Patterson and the pick, then Bismack and Demar opt out, the cap holds for Bismack, Demar and Ryno are so small, they'll be below $85 million before resigning them all over the cap. They need to have some serious talks with agents.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 1:41 pm to
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the cap holds for Bismack, Demar and Ryno are so small, they'll be below $85 million before resigning them all over the cap. They need to have some serious talks with agents.


First, the cap is projected to be $89-$90 million. Having a cap figure of $85 million with the cap holds in place would give you $4-$5 million in cap space which is smaller the MLE so you'd be better off using the MLE which is $5.6 million.

Second, you have to be off in your calculations. The cap hold for guys like DeRozan and Ryno will be 150% of what they made in their last year, so a $15 million cap hold for DeRozan and a $12.75 cap hold for Ryno. Biyombo I believe would have a 190% cap hold so that's $5.5 million. Even taking Patterson off the roster they're about $7-$8 million over the cap with Ryno's cap hold in place. Cap hold rules LINK
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 2:01 pm
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