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What is Graham’s Trade Value?

Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:58 am
Posted by David, Larry David
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
1951 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:58 am
Let’s say we end up with the Laker’s pick at 10. It would be nice to grab some young talent but I’d be interested to see what Graham plus that pick could fetch.

I’ve seen a lot on here interested in Dejounte Murray but I don’t think Graham and pick 10 gets it done. Buddy Hield or Brogdon mentioned a few times as well but I don’t think the money would work.

Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115789 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:02 am to
He would be there for salary. I don't think he's a negative value asset but the biggest thing for him in a trade is salary.
Posted by TechTiger
Running an easy 10
Member since Feb 2007
1356 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:08 am to
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He would be there for salary. I don't think he's a negative value asset but the biggest thing for him in a trade is salary.


I don’t think it’s negative, he is what he is and the numbers support that. In a starting role for most of the season he has shown that he puts up the same numbers he has his whole career coming off the bench.

And in his time with second units this year, he has put up the same numbers on less volume but with greater efficiency.

I would be fine holding onto him to stay in a bench scoring role, but ideally would look to upgrade for someone with more size.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25544 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:12 am to
Graham/Kira for KCP

Graham for Alec Burks


Offer Coby White 3/$50M or 4/$60M and do a S&T with the Bulls sending them Kira, and rerouting Graham somewhere else to dump (OKC is always a destination for that).
They can't afford to keep White this offseason since they are going to max out Lavine and they need to do somethign with Vucevic.
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 9:19 am
Posted by bugafor6
Member since Feb 2016
4200 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:13 am to
quote:

He would be there for salary. I don't think he's a negative value asset but the biggest thing for him in a trade is salary.


I was about to say this. His contract isn’t bad enough to be negative but he’s not good enough to be a positive. He would be the first guy out in a sign and trade.
Posted by cajun_tiger
Member since Jun 2012
221 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:16 am to
quote:

I would be fine holding onto him to stay in a bench scoring role, but ideally would look to upgrade for someone with more size.


Agree with this. If we could flip him for someone like KCP and only have to attach minimal assets then I would be down with it. Otherwise him spelling BI for 12-16 minutes a game is a great role for him. Playing against bench players and being a spacing outlet is a role this team needs. If we could get that same role with increased defense that would be ideal.
Posted by David, Larry David
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
1951 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:17 am to
KCP and keep the first round pick would be sweet.
Posted by cajun_tiger
Member since Jun 2012
221 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:20 am to
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KCP and keep the first round pick would be sweet.


For sure. Upgrading DG to KCP isn't worth a 1st imo. But a second and maybe some cash? IDK, probably not enough but I think we could use that first better with having young talent cheap or a bigger upgrade. Edit: I saw Teddy's Kira/DG for KCP and I like that a lot.
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 9:21 am
Posted by kpop1
Member since Jan 2018
1650 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:28 am to
Isn't KCP a Klutch guy?

No thanks
Posted by cajun_tiger
Member since Jun 2012
221 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:29 am to
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Offer Coby White 3/$50M or 4/$60M


If you can get Coby white for that price I'd be down. I do think it is funny that the bulls could lose a 21 yo White who's giving them similar performance to Lonzo because they gave a 24 yo Lonzo so much last year.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25544 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:35 am to
I don't know if someone is going to give White $20M/yr, but if he's in that $15-18M a year range, then i think we should absolutely try to make that happen, but it won't be easy salary wise for us, so it's definitely a long shot.
I don't think Chicago would want Graham back, as they are trying to shed salary, so we'd have to find a place to basically dump him b/c we can't take back salary if we send him to a 3rd team, and chicago won't want to either.
And i don't even know if you can do that in a S&T.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11906 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:37 am to
He is who many thought he was. Not worth much (not what Pels gave up for him).
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38780 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:47 am to
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similar performance to Lonzo because they gave a 24 yo Lonzo so much last year.

35 games of 15 & 5
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61496 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:52 am to
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not what Pels gave up for him


What the Pels gave up for him is still to be determined. Depending on what happens the next few weeks we may need to completely regrade the offseason that was universally panned.

Grading it in August it looked like

Lonzo + 2 1sts + 7 spots in the draft

for

JV/Graham/Trey/2nd and dumping Adams/Bledsoe

Again universally panned after failing to land a big fish in FA.

However, if you manage to keep the Lakers pick and miss the playoffs to not give Charlotte your pick, what ended up happening was

Lonzo + Hart + 1st + 7 spots + 2nds

for

CJ + JV + Graham + Nance + Trey + Snell + dumping Adams/Bledsoe

So roughly the same value out but getting CJ/Nance/Snell added to the return.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25544 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:56 am to
It may work out as being ok, but giving up the first for Graham, and getting nothing back for Lonzo will always be viewed as horrible in my eyes.
The fact that we performed well below the expectations of this year record wise to not give up the 1st to Charlotte doesn't make that trade acceptable now.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
40093 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:57 am to
Too bad we cant send him to Portland and get Josh back.
Posted by Tank77
Member since Mar 2019
369 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:02 am to
Kevin Huerter
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61496 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:02 am to
Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. Let's also hope he's learned some lessons.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:04 am to
Say what you will about Lonzo's health, which is a fair knock at this point, but White and Lonzo aren't even in the same tier of player, and the distance isnt really that close at this point.

There's a reason that Ayo Dosunmu, not Coby White, has started in Lonzo's absence.

Lonzo and Herb were the two best perimeter defenders in the league according to BBall Index's advanced tracking metrics, and it shows with the Bulls and his absence. White is still a negative defender and has been incredibly slow at developing the sort of passing vision people envisioned for him.

Im not knocking White, he's 21 and has plenty of room to still grow, and has, and I would 100% trade Graham and a couple seconds for White if the Bulls would do it. But I would not be paying him above 10-12 mil a year.
Posted by Dantheman504
N/A
Member since Jun 2013
3589 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:14 am to
The money would work for Brogdon or Colin Sexton coming off his injury. Graham, Kira, Temple + protected picks.

Brogdon would be a great fit and help our defensive schemes. Colin Sexton imo would be the perfect pairing with Zion.

Some fans will be here shortly to tell you we shouldn’t do that because roster spots 13-15 matter too much.
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