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re: What did Griffin do wrong this off season?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:54 am to Hester Carries
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:54 am to Hester Carries
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But they understood we didnt want him, and they could have absolutely frickED us with the way they structured the contract.
i mean we could have let them tie up their cap for 3 days...
i can only imagine GMs and VPs being buddy buddy with one another to avoid issues down the line when you need favors.
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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No. If you want to make moves for a star-level player, you need big/bad contracts to match salaries, however.
I just made this post a few posts earlier, problem is Griff is gave up assets and turned them into bad contracts instead of taking on already bad contracts for assets. And part of Memphis taking on Adams was why we gave up the first and had to move down. To believe otherwise is wrong. Highly doubtful it would cost a first just to move an expiring Bledsoe.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 11:57 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:56 am to ghost2most
In a different world a higher tier of FA signs with us, but I can’t put that on Griff. Someone guys don’t want to leave their spot, etc only so much he can do there he created the room without really nuking the roster. There’s another move to be made one way or the other that’s still coming.
Lonzo is tough, I think letting him walk basketball/$$ wise was smart but how does that relate to BI/Zion? I’m high on Graham for half the price tho
They were in a lose-lose situation. People don’t want to buy that better coaching, progression of young players, etc is an actual plan (Zion has acknowledged this future growth publicly before off-season). If they sign Lowry in 1-2 years the story would be “how dare they tie up all the $$ to help Zion with an old PG” and by not signing Lowry there weren’t many other great options to pivot to. Like I said there is still another big move to be made, but they’ve improved the roster and got a new coach I’m high on while at the moment keeping cap flexibility going forward. See what happens from here
Lonzo is tough, I think letting him walk basketball/$$ wise was smart but how does that relate to BI/Zion? I’m high on Graham for half the price tho
They were in a lose-lose situation. People don’t want to buy that better coaching, progression of young players, etc is an actual plan (Zion has acknowledged this future growth publicly before off-season). If they sign Lowry in 1-2 years the story would be “how dare they tie up all the $$ to help Zion with an old PG” and by not signing Lowry there weren’t many other great options to pivot to. Like I said there is still another big move to be made, but they’ve improved the roster and got a new coach I’m high on while at the moment keeping cap flexibility going forward. See what happens from here
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 11:59 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:02 pm to htran90
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i'd argue that it wasn't adams contract, but actually bledsoe's that costed the asset.
I’m sure you were one of the many that argued with me in the Adams trade thread that thought it was a great move and we didn’t give up much either lol.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:11 pm to TankBoys32
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I'm a casual fan
I’ll give you a pass cuz you are a casual but the DG deal is about as reasonable a deal as possibe. Guys I’ve never heard of are getting ridiculous sums of money.
Hell we just watched Lonzo be as average as average can be and he got paid $20M per year.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:21 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Oh yeah I think the Graham deal is great. I just hope we can get a few more solid players before everyone is gone. I know a few remain FAs or available.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:22 pm to ghost2most
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What did Griffin do wrong this off season?
I think he’s done an above average job this off-season, but you really have to consider the last 3 offseasons all together considering how connected all the moves ended up being.
I give last offseason an F and this one a tentative B for now. I’d give the first offseason an A for the Draft and AD haul, but with our following moves, we’ve effectively turned the AD deal into 1 first round pick and Brandon Ingram. Granted, we don’t know about Hart yet.
So overall, I’d give Griff a C for his work at the Pels President of Basketball Operations. If we can make something useful out of Hart, then I would be willing to bump it to a B- at most
Posted on 8/4/21 at 3:46 pm to Townedrunkard
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I’m sure you were one of the many that argued with me in the Adams trade thread that thought it was a great move and we didn’t give up much either lol.
17mil is an overpay, all things considered but its spend 17mil or not spend it at all if you looked at the cap situation.
that being said, adams + 10 for val + 17 is a pretty realistic comparison.
bledsoe + random late 1st (LALakers) to salary dump is the going price if you look at OKC
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:46 am to ghost2most
I was checked out last offseason because of the SJW stuff and the dumbass Lakers winning the title, but the fact that he essentially traded Jrue for Bledsoe is mind boggling.
Did some of this board really not hate that move from day 1? Did y’all not watch any Milwaukee playoff games the last 2 seasons (before this one)? Bledsoe is like the guard version of Tyreke Evans - he’s fricking terrible. Any GM who makes a move like that I have to wonder about
Did some of this board really not hate that move from day 1? Did y’all not watch any Milwaukee playoff games the last 2 seasons (before this one)? Bledsoe is like the guard version of Tyreke Evans - he’s fricking terrible. Any GM who makes a move like that I have to wonder about
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 12:47 am
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:47 am to htran90
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bledsoe + random late 1st (LALakers) to salary dump is the going price if you look at OKC
OKC only got a mid first for taking on almost 80 million of broke down Kemba. Granted the Celtics took back Horford, but two years left of that contract is on another level compared to what’s basically an expiring deal in Bledsoe.
And theoretically, the first we gave them could turn out to be higher than the one the Celtics gave up. You don’t know how the Lakers season will go.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 3:07 am to SirWinston
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but the fact that he essentially traded Jrue for Bledsoe is mind boggling.
We also got 2 1st round picks and 2 swap rights.
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Did some of this board really not hate that move from day 1? Did y’all not watch any Milwaukee playoff games the last 2 seasons (before this one)?
Everyone knew he wasn't as good as Jrue. His issues in the postseason were also well documented. He was a very good player in the regular season by every metric for the previous 8 years. You can pretend you knew he was this awful player but the reality is he wasn't. You didn't know he was gonna have the worst year of his entire career. He was worse this year than his rookie year. He completely tanked it.
If he played anything like his MIL seasons, we're in the playoffs.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 8:19 am to ghost2most
He had a great off season this year IMO.
Bust most of that was fixing all of the frickups he made last off season
Bust most of that was fixing all of the frickups he made last off season
Posted on 8/5/21 at 6:34 pm to ghost2most
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Dumped Stan who this board hates.
Dumped Bled who this board hates.
Dumped Lonzo who half this board hates.
Dumped Adams who 2/3 of this board hates.
The problem is that he:
-Hired Stan
-Traded for Bledsoe
-Traded for Lonzo
-Traded for Adams
It would be one thing if this offseason was him cleaning up a bunch of shite moves made by Demps. Then yeah, he would deserve to be celebrated. I sure as shite am not giving him a lot of credit for bailing on moves he made that severely hamstrung the franchise in a time where we can't afford to waste any time building around a budding superstar.
Griffin has already wasted two offseasons with Zion, one where he tried to make moves and another where he had to clean up those terrible moves.
That's a problem.
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 6:37 pm
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