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re: Watching Dallas go up 2-0 just reminds me of the inconsistency of the Pels..
Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:35 pm to Tigerfan14
Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:35 pm to Tigerfan14
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Dallas had a sub .500 season last year. You think Kidd improved enough to suddenly have a potential finals team in one year? It’s absolutely about the pieces, not the coach.
You think Kidd didn’t improve at all and its ONLY the players?? You think coaches don’t control rotations, understand game management, drawing up plays, have any say in trading for players they want or give heavy minutes at center to a rookie??? (Imagine that a coach who understands proper rotations and trusts a talented rookie)
Its absolutely about everything including players and the coach.
And for some reason if you’re insinuating that Willie Green could lead this same Mavs team to the finals- you really need to stop drinking. For example if Willie Green coached this team- he would constantly give heavy minutes to Dwight Powell, Lively probably would barely play, guys like Exum and Derrick Jones Jr would play way too many minutes- but yeah coaches dont matter lol
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 10:45 pm
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 5:46 am to Macintosh
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Zion doesn’t need to develop an outside shot
Then he will remain a "what if" player and never make 1st team All-NBA.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:15 am to Jester
No, Giannis doesn't have an outside shot and led his team to a title.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:20 am to GOP_Tiger
Giannis is also 5 inches taller and doesn't need to put as much physical strain on his body that zion does.
The amount of force zion has to use on his legs (as proven by the last 2 seasons) when necessary puts too much at risk.
It happened to blake. It's happening to zion. It's not conductive for a long career.
The amount of force zion has to use on his legs (as proven by the last 2 seasons) when necessary puts too much at risk.
It happened to blake. It's happening to zion. It's not conductive for a long career.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:11 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:Giannis is also DPOY level good on defense and has a drive and will to win that it's pretty clear Zion can't match. I'm trying to think of a similar type situation like Zion where a guy was lazy and unprofessional for the first 4.75 of 5 seasons then all of a sudden became the biggest killer in his sport.
No, Giannis doesn't have an outside shot and led his team to a title.
Zion is 5 years in and it seems still takes a backseat to coaching decisions on whether to play or sit or scheme to not feature him... he just goes with whatever the coaches tell him.
The "built different" thing is thrown around too much but it kinda fits here. I don't see Zion ever taking over, and I mean taking over the entire organization like a Giannis does.
That can work, like a Duncan or Steph, but we don't have the players or front office or coach to recreate that.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:14 am to htran90
quote:Exactly
The amount of force zion has to use on his legs (as proven by the last 2 seasons) when necessary puts too much at risk
Zion basically works harder to get to 25 points than any other player has to. I'd bet that's part of the reason he keeps getting hurt.
The ability to make jumpers gives you easy chances to get buckets so you can conserve energy while still producing.
It's the reason why Zion rarely ever puts up big numbers while others can do it consistently. His career high is, what, 42? And he's only hit 40 maybe twice and rarely hits 35+.
Get a decent jumper and all the above numbers can jump up by 6 or so points consistently.
This post was edited on 5/26/24 at 11:15 am
Posted on 5/26/24 at 2:25 pm to shel311
The only player that you could use as a comparison is Barkley. He was literally known as the Round Mound of Rebound. Once he finally got in shape (tail end of Philly/Phoenix), he went to an entirely new level. We can only hope the same for Zion. He needs to improve his skills and game.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 2:45 pm to Cell of Awareness
You cannot compare regular season games to playoff games. You can’t watch these games and tell the difference the two? While I agree of our inconsistency, you’re talking about two different worlds
Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:01 pm to elveaux
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The only player that you could use as a comparison is Barkley. He was literally known as the Round Mound of Rebound. Once he finally got in shape (tail end of Philly/Phoenix), he went to an entirely new level. We can only hope the same for Zion. He needs to improve his skills and game.
You need to go back and look at Barkley's numbers. He got into shape his first year with the Sixers and was down to 250 his 2nd year. His 3rd and 4th years in the league are insane. He had that one great year in Phoenix (8th season), then started declining pretty steadily. My point is it didn't happen later in his career. He figured it out pretty quickly..
Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:49 pm to Pels_Yaz
— Trade Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney-Smith, 2029 1st, two second-round picks for Kyrie Irving
— Draft Dereck Lively at No. 12 overall in the draft
— Trade Grant Williams, Seth Curry, 2027 1st (top-2 protected) for PJ Washington and two second-round picks
— Trade 2028 pick swap for Daniel Gafford
The pressure was on in Dallas’ front office to surround Luka Doncic with a title contender, and they’ve done just that.
— Draft Dereck Lively at No. 12 overall in the draft
— Trade Grant Williams, Seth Curry, 2027 1st (top-2 protected) for PJ Washington and two second-round picks
— Trade 2028 pick swap for Daniel Gafford
The pressure was on in Dallas’ front office to surround Luka Doncic with a title contender, and they’ve done just that.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:01 pm to Macintosh
Griff is not looking good at all. Dallas, who Pels were ahead of for the majority of the season, with less assets, looks to be heading to the NBA finals. All without a blockbuster move. Griff is slick though, got everyone salivating over a an upcoming super duper six team roll of the dice. Just can’t make this shite up.
This post was edited on 5/26/24 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 5/27/24 at 2:42 am to Pistol44
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All without a blockbuster move.
The blockbuster move was last year when they traded pennies on the dollar for Kyrie. They then upgraded to an elite contender with the trades this midseason.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 9:50 am to Pels_Yaz
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blockbuster move was last year when they traded pennies on the dollar for Kyrie
Exactly why I don’t consider it a blockbuster trade personally, more like a disgruntled organization hastily making a bad narrative-based trade.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 10:12 am to Pistol44
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more like a disgruntled organization hastily making a bad narrative-based trade.
May happen again this year with Hawks or Cavs. Question is will Pels have the balls to take advantage.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 10:26 am to Pels_Yaz
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Question is will Pels have the balls to take advantage.
Better hope they use their brains, as well as, their balls. Got a lot of flack earlier from the ship em off to Siberia for a haul crowd, explaining the nuance of trades. You don’t excoriate and devalue your asset for trade, particularly when you don’t have all the leverage. You end up like the Nets, selling pennies on the dollar. Leaks to the press to justify your ego and bad decisions is always bad business.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 10:55 am to Pistol44
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You don’t excoriate and devalue your asset for trade, particularly when you don’t have all the leverage. You end up like the Nets, selling pennies on the dollar.
Yeah but BI is no where near Kyrie. The questions surrounding Kyrie were always outside basketball but on the court he was a supreme talent. This isn’t the case for BI- there are plenty of questions regarding BIs talent on the basketball court and how good he really is.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:26 am to Pistol44
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Better hope they use their brains, as well as, their balls. Got a lot of flack earlier from the ship em off to Siberia for a haul crowd, explaining the nuance of trades. You don’t excoriate and devalue your asset for trade, particularly when you don’t have all the leverage. You end up like the Nets, selling pennies on the dollar. Leaks to the press to justify your ego and bad decisions is always bad business.
Like this absolute crap that Cavs management fed to Shams:
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Allen missed his eighth consecutive game due to what the team said was a rib bruise. Allen’s extended absence, which stretched more than two weeks, caused frustration toward him in at least some corners of the organization with teammates and staff members who felt he could have done more to try and play.
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Few if any, members of the organization doubted the discomfort Allen has been in since the injury, but the frustration among some members of the team was that he refused an injection to try and numb the pain and play.
It turned out that Allen had a broken rib. The team was literally "frustrated" with Jarrett Allen because he didn't/couldn't play with a broken rib. Total clownshow.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:56 am to GOP_Tiger
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Like this absolute crap that Cavs management fed to Shams:
For sure, pointing the finger while the thumb points back at you. Pels appear to be heading towards a reset, have to hope they get it right.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:18 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Yeah but BI is no where near Kyrie
OK, that's my point. Talent evaluation and coaching is a real thing, most wouldn't have said the gulf in talent was that much just a year ago. But now one is trash and the other is treasure. Can you see how fickle-minded talent evaluation is? I get it, a lot of folks have always wanted an all-in on Zion since he was drafted. Team disappoints (despite a 49 win season ... lol) and now Pels are acquiescing toward a reset to put down the rebellion (ticket sales). But lets not forget someone assembled and coached up an imbalanced roster of wings, with non-complementing parts (i.e. point and post ... the spine of your team).
Trust and believe someone is looking at AD, Jrue, Nickeil, and probably Hayes next year ... lol, and thinking maybe the player ain't the problem. Great thing about Sports is we usually find out pretty quickly.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 5:24 am to ghost2most
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I think whoever comes out the west is beating Boston
Well what "superstar" did Boston face yet?
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