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re: Victory Wembanyama has made more 3s than Brandon Ingram this season
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:54 am to Shiftyplus1
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:54 am to Shiftyplus1
Comparison is irrelevant and misguided... One could say Wemby, being 7'4 with his athleticism, should have 25 points,15+ rebounds and at least 5 blocks a night but he refuses to do so bc he rather shoot, a below league average, 31% from the 3pt. line on 4.5 shots per game.
Conventional wisdom and metrics would tell you that Wemby should not be taking as many 3's and probably should be operating in the paint more where he is vastly a better scorer and rebounder and defensively not switch onto perimeter players bc he is best utilized as a Paint protector...
The goal of any player is to make the shots he takes... Brandon happens to be superior shooting mid range jumpers versus three point shots. You play to your strengths bc that's what likely to help you prevail in the chief goal.
Conventional wisdom and metrics would tell you that Wemby should not be taking as many 3's and probably should be operating in the paint more where he is vastly a better scorer and rebounder and defensively not switch onto perimeter players bc he is best utilized as a Paint protector...
The goal of any player is to make the shots he takes... Brandon happens to be superior shooting mid range jumpers versus three point shots. You play to your strengths bc that's what likely to help you prevail in the chief goal.
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:16 am to Ijuschill1
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Comparison is irrelevant and misguided... One could say Wemby, being 7'4 with his athleticism, should have 25 points,15+ rebounds and at least 5 blocks a night but he refuses to do so bc he rather shoot, a below league average, 31% from the 3pt. line on 4.5 shots per game.
Conventional wisdom and metrics would tell you that Wemby should not be taking as many 3's and probably should be operating in the paint more where he is vastly a better scorer and rebounder and defensively not switch onto perimeter players bc he is best utilized as a Paint protector...
quote:Sure, but the goal for Wemby right now is different than the goal for BI. Maybe the comparison to Wemby in the OP wasn't the best comparison but the overriding point is correct. BI needs to shoot more 3s.
The goal of any player is to make the shots he takes
Wemby is learning. He should be shooting 3s even if it's less efficient than shooting 2s. His development is more important than wins and losses right now for the Spurs.
That is not the case for the Pels and BI.
quote:This is factually incorrect. A Brandon Ingram 3 is a more effective shot than a Brandon Ingram midrange shot.
Brandon happens to be superior shooting mid range jumpers versus three point shots.
Brandon Ingram is superior shooting 3s compared to midrange jumpers, unequivocally, by a pretty wide margin too.
quote:For Brandon Ingram, that would be more 3s and less long range 2s.
You play to your strengths bc that's what likely to help you prevail in the chief goal.
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 9:17 am
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:27 am to Ijuschill1
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The goal of any player is to make the shots he takes... Brandon happens to be superior shooting mid range jumpers versus three point shots. You play to your strengths bc that's what likely to help you prevail in the chief goal.
BI shoots 47.9% from mid-range, all he'd have to do is shoot 33% from 3 in order to maintain the same efficiency (actually 33% would be a bit better than that).
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:31 am to Epic Cajun
quote:This
BI shoots 47.9% from mid-range, all he'd have to do is shoot 33% from 3 in order to maintain the same efficiency (actually 33% would be a bit better than that).
And he's shooting 35.7% this season and 36.3% for his career.
So on 3s, his eFG% is basically 54%, compared to 48% on 2s. As I mentioned in my previous post, it's really not close. The 3 is a much better shot that would help BI achieve his goal much better than the long 2.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:44 am to shel311
He's also shooting 42% on corner 3's, which is probably where he should add those 2 3's per game.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:52 am to Epic Cajun
quote:Dang
He's also shooting 42% on corner 3's, which is probably where he should add those 2 3's per game.
So that's 63% eFG% on the corner 3, or he can take 1-2 dribbles in and shoot the middle at 48% eFG%
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:12 am to TigerinATL
I can't wait to see what Threads we get during the Allstar break, it's gonna be a long 8 days.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:21 am to shel311
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Sure, but the goal for Wemby right now is different than the goal for BI. Maybe the comparison to Wemby in the OP wasn't the best comparison but the overriding point is correct. BI needs to shoot more 3s.
What may have started out as a halfway silly comp is actually a good comparison because what Baron posted is spot on.
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The problem isn’t just BI’s 3pa in a vacuum, you have to look at it in context of the rest of the league and the entire team. The game is trending to the 3 point shot. BI’s 3pa are below league average for a starting 3, but so are Herb’s for a 2, Zion for a 4, and JV for a 5. CJ is the only starter that attempts more 3’s than the average starting 1. Out of Herb, Zion, JV, and BI, Ingram is the best shooter and the logical choice to up his 3 point output and he just won’t do it. Like Atl said, it really limits the ceiling of this team.
The league is changing. 10 years ago the average ORtg in the NBA was 105.9 points per 100 possessions. This year it is 115.9. NBA teams are scoring 10 more points per 100 possessions now than they were just 10 years ago. That's crazy. LINK
I don't think trading Ingram is the answer because we won't get close to equal value back. They need to figure out how to make this work, and in theory you can, you just need to get BI to do what CJ has done. And that's not all on BI, Zion and Willie need to help make this happen.
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 10:22 am
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:25 am to hkc
quote:LOL, wtf is that? You think you are some basketball stud? I guess reading comprehension is your issue then.
Bro you don’t hoop do you?
The point is he’s taking way more 3s that bi. What is difficult to grasp about this.
Griffin has worked magic on you low iq stans the way y’all defend mediocrity and complacency.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:33 am to Bonkers119
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I can't wait to see what Threads we get during the Allstar break, it's gonna be a long 8 days.
If Hawkins balls out on Friday night- probably more threads about Willie’s rotation. I really hope Hawkins does go nuts.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:13 am to TigerinATL
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If you can't see that I'm pointing out a rookie center has taken and made more 3s than our All Star caliber 3 level wing scorer who has been told repeatedly to take more 3s, I don't know what to tell you.
Youre a fricking idiot.
We’re 33-22 - we are trying to win games.
The Spurs are 11-44 - their only objective is to let Wemby develop.
Its that simple and regularly done in the NBA with potential superstars.
And 31% from 3 is horrible, anyone not named Wemby would get benched for shooting that poorly that much. He has a green light with a poor % for a reason.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:39 am to shel311
If we were the Nuggets last year we’d be the champs!
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:57 am to TigerinATL
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Zion and Willie need to help make this happen.
While watching the game last night I counted at least 4 opportunities BI had to take open 3's off of Zion passes. If he just takes those 4 3 point attempts he would have been up to 7 attempts. I'm talking he hesitated then ball faked and drove. He missed two midrange jump shots, made one, and passed off his penetration on the other. He has to take those shots. We got two points off of those possessions. If he just goes 1/4 on those shots the team comes out ahead and that doesn't even factor in the gravity that comes with him taking those.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 9:12 am to shel311
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He makes 2s at a 50% clip.
Unless my stats from NBA.com are inaccurate, he shoots 2s at a 53% clip.
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 9:14 am
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:23 am to VOR
quote:Thanks Magic Johnson!
If we were the Nuggets last year we’d be the champs!
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