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re: Victory Wembanyama has made more 3s than Brandon Ingram this season
Posted on 2/13/24 at 4:24 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 2/13/24 at 4:24 pm to TigerinATL
I think Zion is doing exactly what he is told to do. Last year he was driving to the basket constantly and was averaging 30 ppg in the last 10 games before he got injured. I think they told him to take it easy so he won't get hurt.
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 4:27 pm to ErikGordan
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The Spurs must be leading the Western Conference. Great stat that correlates three points shooting with victories. Has Vic made and attempted more threes than Z? Just asking!
The problem isn’t just BI’s 3pa in a vacuum, you have to look at it in context of the rest of the league and the entire team. The game is trending to the 3 point shot. BI’s 3pa are below league average for a starting 3, but so are Herb’s for a 2, Zion for a 4, and JV for a 5. CJ is the only starter that attempts more 3’s than the average starting 1. Out of Herb, Zion, JV, and BI, Ingram is the best shooter and the logical choice to up his 3 point output and he just won’t do it. Like Atl said, it really limits the ceiling of this team.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 4:47 pm to TigerinATL
A large reason for this is BI being too hesitant to take enough 3's (particularly when we're going with Point Zion); but an even larger reason for this is Wemby takes WAY too many 3's.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 2/13/24 at 5:56 pm to Broski
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A lot of people are going to come in here and blame coaching, but Willie has mentioned in his press conferences multiple times that they need BI to take more threes, just like he's mentioned Zion needing to be more aggressive. And they just... won't do it.
I don’t think anyone will blame Willie for BI not trying to shoot more 3s. I will blame Willie for putting shite rotations around him with nonshooters that doesn’t help BI being crowded or doubled though. Regardless, if CJ can change his game- I expect BI to do the same with or without rotational help.
I think Zion, minus last nights debacle, has been pretty aggressive overall since the IST game. Shifting to point Zion has helped with that. Now has he been as efficient this season as he was in past seasons- I would say not so much. Thats on Zion.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 6:01 pm to LSUgrad88
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but an even larger reason for this is Wemby takes WAY too many 3's.
The Wemby thing is a bad comparison. They’re developing him without much concern to winning games- hence his greenlight despite his not so great percentage.
BI on the other hand is trying to shoot more 3s while also being depended on to win the game. Sometimes, he succeeds like v charlotte but more times than not he reverts back to what’s comfortable especially when games get close. Thats why I give CJ a lot of credit for completely changing his shot profile.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 2/13/24 at 6:07 pm to NOSHAU
Bro you don’t hoop do you?
The point is he’s taking way more 3s that bi. What is difficult to grasp about this.
Griffin has worked magic on you low iq stans the way y’all defend mediocrity and complacency.
The point is he’s taking way more 3s that bi. What is difficult to grasp about this.
Griffin has worked magic on you low iq stans the way y’all defend mediocrity and complacency.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 2/13/24 at 6:18 pm to Pels_Yaz
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The Wemby thing is a bad comparison. They’re developing him without much concern to winning games- hence his greenlight despite his not so great percentage.
How about this: Naz Reid for the TWolves shot 50 more 3s than BI last year in 300 less minutes. This year he’s already shot 50 more and hit 30 more than BI in 400 less minutes.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 6:53 pm to Baron
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How about this: Naz Reid for the TWolves shot 50 more 3s than BI last year in 300 less minutes. This year he’s already shot 50 more and hit 30 more than BI in 400 less minutes.
Frankly I think that’s a worse comparison than Wemby. Naz is literally a stretch 3 point shooting center who is coming off the bench. Hes not really known for his defense or playmaking skills nor is the team relying upon him to score or be the main guy like they do with Ant and at times KAT. I think Ant is probably the better comparison- not sure what his shot profile is but he likely shoots and makes more 3s than BI but I could be wrong.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 7:05 pm to TigerinATL
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f you can't see that I'm pointing out a rookie center has taken and made more 3s than our All Star caliber 3 level wing scorer who has been told repeatedly to take more 3s, I don't know what to tell you.
It’s a bit disingenuous though because Wemby is viewed as the future of the association while BI is a dude no one will remember outside of New Orleans.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 2/13/24 at 7:08 pm to shel311
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Then out of nowhere, he just stopped shooting them at that rate, for reasons I don't think anyone knows.
He started doing a lot more. He’s been the primary ball handler for the last few years. It’s pretty difficult to get into the groove of playing off and on ball in a game. He has to commit to one role to flourish in that roll.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 7:09 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I think Ant is probably the better comparison
No it’s not. That’s not the point of Atl’s thread. People said “well Wemby is developing, has a green light, is on a losing team, etc…” so I named a backup 5 on a winning team. The point is to give context to how few 3pa BI has. The 3pa discrepancy between BI and ANY center, let alone a rookie or backup, shouldn’t be this much.
Again, it’s a problem because we absolutely need him to take more, instruct him to, set him up to, and he just won’t do it.
Every high end rotational player from last year has increased their 3pa per 36 by 20-25% this year except BI and Zion
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 2/13/24 at 7:29 pm to TigerinATL
This BI should be hesitant to shoot 3s. Of guys averaging 2+ attempts per game BI is 8th on the team and that means there's usually someone with a better shot.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 7:35 pm to Parrish
quote:He shouldn't
This BI should be hesitant to shoot 3s
His eFG% on 3s this season is 54%. He makes 2s at a 50% clip.
Other than that one season he shot 32%, the 3 has always been a more efficient shot for him than a 2. So taking 4 a game just ain't it, needs to be 6 or 7.
My quick math says if he took 2 more 3s per game instead of long 2s, he'd go from the very pedestrian .577 TS% that is nothing to write home about to over .600 which is where the elite scorers live.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 2/13/24 at 7:40 pm to Baron
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The 3pa discrepancy between BI and ANY center, let alone a rookie or backup, shouldn’t be this much.
Yes we need him to take more 3s but comparing him to a backup center who’s best asset to the team is as a stretch big who shoots is a silly comparison. Is that what we want BI to become? I get your point and most of us agree that BI needs to shoot 3s-but using a developing rookie with no real objective to win or a backup shooting 5 to prove your point is absolutely nonsensical. Comparing BI to Ant, Tatum or other stars who lead their teams makes a lot more sense.
The main objective of this thread is correct in that BI needs to shoot 3s but using Wemby and Naz Reid as comparisons is completely nonsensical.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:05 pm to Parrish
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This BI should be hesitant to shoot 3s.
What the frick? No.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:14 pm to TigerinATL
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If you can't see that I'm pointing out a rookie center has taken and made more 3s than our All Star caliber 3 level wing scorer who has been told repeatedly to take more 3s, I don't know what to tell you.
Shooting more 3 does not mean the ball will go in. Let the man be productive at what works for him.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:21 pm to ErikGordan
Makes complete sense.
BI is a pussy
BI is a pussy
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:04 pm to Magazine St
quote:Passing up an open 3 for a contested long 2 is never the right play... Ever.
Shooting more 3 does not mean the ball will go in. Let the man be productive at what works for him.
It's also not about what works for him but what works for the team. If he doesn't change because that's what works for him, he won't be worth that next max contract to us, which is ultimately what matters most.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:33 am to Broski
You
Mention willie green saying it in the press that he wants Zion to be aggressive and bi take more threes and that they won’t do it …
Well to tell you the truth , a good coach would make them do it . You really think a Phil Jackson or a Greg pop , would say those things in the press and not get the follow up change in playing styles as a result from their players , green isn’t cut throat enough , his too much their “ bros “ and not enough their “ coach “ why he needs to go and why he can’t cut anyone’s minutes for hawk when we need him
Mention willie green saying it in the press that he wants Zion to be aggressive and bi take more threes and that they won’t do it …
Well to tell you the truth , a good coach would make them do it . You really think a Phil Jackson or a Greg pop , would say those things in the press and not get the follow up change in playing styles as a result from their players , green isn’t cut throat enough , his too much their “ bros “ and not enough their “ coach “ why he needs to go and why he can’t cut anyone’s minutes for hawk when we need him
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:37 am to Bdnp1
quote:Phil Jackson couldn't get Kobe to stop shooting and being a ball hog. Pretty sure he has an entire section on it in his book.
You really think a Phil Jackson or a Greg pop , would say those things in the press and not get the follow up change in playing styles as a result from their players
So no, not even Phil Jackson could get his best players to do whatever he wanted them to do.
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 8:38 am
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