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Trey Murphy MUST become the Face of the Franchise
Posted on 12/3/23 at 2:25 am
Posted on 12/3/23 at 2:25 am
This organization has to do whatever to put Trey Murphy in position to take the reigns for this Franchise and become the Face and leader. Why?
It's simple. He is a a 21st century basketball player. TM3 does things that both of our best players don't do consistently that's required to win in today's NBA. Shoot threes, make threes, defends, and use vertical athleticism with with length. Murphy also has the charisma, work ethic, and mental makeup to lead this organization if given the keys.
Murphy and his camp knows it, and wants the keys. The Question is will this FO and Franchise give him the path to get there.
It will start when BI or Zion is moved to another team which will allow Murphy to be inserted into a more dominant role and starting line up. BI will likely have to be moved since he is up for an extension soon and his game is more dated but Zion can go too.
Give Trey the keys, and I guarantee he will have the balls to close games and rally this team because he gives a shite and that's the HONEST TRUTH ™
It's simple. He is a a 21st century basketball player. TM3 does things that both of our best players don't do consistently that's required to win in today's NBA. Shoot threes, make threes, defends, and use vertical athleticism with with length. Murphy also has the charisma, work ethic, and mental makeup to lead this organization if given the keys.
Murphy and his camp knows it, and wants the keys. The Question is will this FO and Franchise give him the path to get there.
It will start when BI or Zion is moved to another team which will allow Murphy to be inserted into a more dominant role and starting line up. BI will likely have to be moved since he is up for an extension soon and his game is more dated but Zion can go too.
Give Trey the keys, and I guarantee he will have the balls to close games and rally this team because he gives a shite and that's the HONEST TRUTH ™
This post was edited on 12/3/23 at 2:26 am
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Posted on 12/3/23 at 4:18 am to Honest Man
I don’t think BI is a bad player but hes also a wing that doesn’t shoot threes and his fit with Zion just seems off. I need to see more of Trey but I even think Zion knows that Trey is a better fit for him. Unfortunately, I think Griffin will give BI and Zion the whole season to figure it out. This offseason though, Griffin needs to think long and hard before automatically giving BI the extension. Again I think BI is a good basketball player but his fit on this team, especially with Zion under contract, is not a great one.
You mentioned Trey’s camp knows about being the star but I think there is some push from Zion as well. Zion pumped up Trey at media day, his on court and off court connection with Trey also seem miles better than with BI. My issue will be Griffin, I just don’t see him trading BI. For me I feel like its gotten to a personal thing to make BI this team leading superstar which I don’t know if BI has been or will be good enough to be the face of this team.
You mentioned Trey’s camp knows about being the star but I think there is some push from Zion as well. Zion pumped up Trey at media day, his on court and off court connection with Trey also seem miles better than with BI. My issue will be Griffin, I just don’t see him trading BI. For me I feel like its gotten to a personal thing to make BI this team leading superstar which I don’t know if BI has been or will be good enough to be the face of this team.
This post was edited on 12/3/23 at 4:20 am
Posted on 12/3/23 at 4:25 am to Honest Man
I just don’t want to pay Ingram his massive contract he won’t be worth. This team constantly hovering around .500 hasn’t shown it’s worth going deep into the luxury tax yet. Would rather Trey take the starting role and trade BI for young players/picks or a floor spacing big/PG
Posted on 12/3/23 at 4:31 am to Macintosh
I think thats the big dilemma. To maximize Trey Murphy he needs to start. Theres no way you can bench Herb who has taken leaps offensively this year while DPOY candidate.
This situation is so similar to the sixers. They got rid of Harden- Maxey became a star and sixers got better. This is no different, I don’t see them trading him this year- I think it’s fair Griffin will give BI the season to figure it out but if we can’t improve and Trey keeps putting up really good numbers hopefully in the offseason Griffin will do the right thing.
This situation is so similar to the sixers. They got rid of Harden- Maxey became a star and sixers got better. This is no different, I don’t see them trading him this year- I think it’s fair Griffin will give BI the season to figure it out but if we can’t improve and Trey keeps putting up really good numbers hopefully in the offseason Griffin will do the right thing.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 4:32 am to Pels_Yaz
A little early to be demanding the keys. Don't really know if Trey can even consistently get his own shot yet off the bounce. But he's important and will probably become more so.
Brandon and Zion are talented players but in the modern NBA it is a challenge to build a franchise around two stars who don't shoot 3 pointers and are average at best on defense. In these games without Trey and CJ they are getting out scored from the arc by twenty or thirty points. That's a tall hill to climb.
Brandon and Zion are talented players but in the modern NBA it is a challenge to build a franchise around two stars who don't shoot 3 pointers and are average at best on defense. In these games without Trey and CJ they are getting out scored from the arc by twenty or thirty points. That's a tall hill to climb.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 4:37 am to New City Champ
quote:that’s the issue. Personally I don’t think he’ll ever be the face but I think he can be a #2 similar to Klay.
Don't really know if Trey can even consistently get his own shot yet off the bounce. But he's important and will probably become more so.
5 years of mediocrity. I’m all for massive change as of now. Hopefully we can make a run tho with everyone back
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:05 am to Honest Man
I think we should see them a whole season together. Murphy looking like a modern PF so maybe take Zions spot :)
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:22 am to OutTheMelph
Zion is the player that makes everyone’s life on offense easier. But you can’t put a non offensive big and two non shooters on the floor with him like last night. I really don’t understand why Willie struggles so much with this. Zion had 27 points on 15 fga last night playing mainly with one shooter in with him.
I also don’t understand why there has not been a closed door meeting with Ingram laying out what he has to do to fit in here long term. We have all seen the results. When he shoots threes and plays as a secondary ball handler (think the Sixers and Spurs games) this team is much better. Shooting zero 3’s last night was a huge step backwards. We simply cannot afford that, especially with CJ and TMIII out.
I also don’t understand why there has not been a closed door meeting with Ingram laying out what he has to do to fit in here long term. We have all seen the results. When he shoots threes and plays as a secondary ball handler (think the Sixers and Spurs games) this team is much better. Shooting zero 3’s last night was a huge step backwards. We simply cannot afford that, especially with CJ and TMIII out.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:29 am to Honest Man
There’s no need to be verbose. Zion is the franchise. Everyone else is an ancillary player.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 9:27 am to Honest Man
Griggs is a terrific player and an essential ingredient. He is not the only ingredient for success. I’m
not sure he is the second coming of
Steph Curry.
not sure he is the second coming of
Steph Curry.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 10:08 am to Honest Man
A lot of people don’t want to hear this but having BI on this roster stunts Trey Murphy’s growth. Dude still shines throughout it being mainly the 3rd option when he’s on the floor, that tells me he’s a future star
Posted on 12/3/23 at 10:09 am to Honest Man
He defends? I must have missed it.
Other than that, I agree and think BI should not be extended.
When the whole team is healthy other than Zion, we are mediocre. When the whole team is healthy other than BI, we are elite.
Other than that, I agree and think BI should not be extended.
When the whole team is healthy other than Zion, we are mediocre. When the whole team is healthy other than BI, we are elite.
This post was edited on 12/3/23 at 10:12 am
Posted on 12/3/23 at 10:13 am to Honest Man
quote:
Murphy and his camp knows it, and wants the keys
You have no idea if that's true. Still talking to your janitor buddy in the SKC Mac?
Posted on 12/3/23 at 10:21 am to ThePistol
quote:
I also don’t understand why there has not been a closed door meeting with Ingram laying out what he has to do to fit in here long term. We have all seen the results. When he shoots threes and plays as a secondary ball handler (think the Sixers and Spurs games) this team is much better. Shooting zero 3’s last night was a huge step backwards. We simply cannot afford that, especially with CJ and TMIII out.
Old habits die hard. Playing the modern way is not his comfort zone. But he at least seems to be trying to play the way they want him to.
If this team clicks it should be worth the taxes they have to pay. If it doesn't click, they are going to have to choose between BI and CJ at some point, You can't have 3 maxish players once you pay Trey without being a perennial tax team.
I can't wait to see a lineup of Zion and the 4 shooters. That might be the determining factor. If that lineup can run people off the floor, it probably makes the team feel more comfortable letting go of BI. We also have seen JV + shooters work this season, so JV might be good enough Zion insurance, at least in the regular season.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 11:48 am to OutTheMelph
Can anyone explain to me why I have so many downvotes? It seems like most of you agree with me.
This post was edited on 12/3/23 at 11:48 am
Posted on 12/3/23 at 11:51 am to whatiknowsofar
Your too emotional to be a mod here. Why are you taking a personal dig at me?
Posted on 12/3/23 at 11:52 am to TigerinATL
If we trade BI, I would personally try to bring back JV with an extension.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 12:02 pm to TigerinATL
quote:The problem is that he's not at all trying to change his game. It's the opposite, he's trending even further away from what we need from him.
But he at least seems to be trying to play the way they want him to.
He's at a career low in % of shots at the rim. 23% of his shots are from 3, he's at 28%and during his entire time in New Orleans. 46% of his shots are from 10 feet out up to the 3pt line, he's at 40% for his time in New Orleans.
I don't know, I just don't see where he's trying like you said.
It seems like once every 7-10 days BI has a great game and many posters go off and mock those who just aren't sold on BI as a #2. Problem is, it happens once every 7-10 days. That shite doesn't matter. You are what you can consistently do.
BI is consistently a volume shooter who is at best league average with scoring efficiency, which is well below where he needs to be to be a viable #2. What would be the reason for any of us to think that is going to change? This is year 8.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 12:05 pm to shel311
I mean you got a point. DeRozan is a more efficient mid range shooter than BI and hes adapted to taking threes. I will say this again, being efficient at the most inefficient shot in basketball doesn’t make for winning basketball.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 12:10 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Yep, It's quite literally still inefficient.
I will say this again, being efficient at the most inefficient shot in basketball doesn’t make for winning basketball
BI is also hitting the long range 2 at an unsustainable high rate at 54%.
What's his efficiency going to look like when that number regresses to the mean..
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