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re: This is the thread for positive thoughts over the past 24 hours of news
Posted on 4/15/25 at 2:47 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Posted on 4/15/25 at 2:47 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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What I don’t agree with is that having Dumars in charge is inherently 100% going to be worse than having Griffin in charge.
Total strawman
virtually no one is arguing this
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Posted on 4/15/25 at 2:52 pm to Macintosh
There we go. We are onto something. And tbh I think it could even move forward with Willie Green. The Zion situation has been a MAJOR distraction and deterrent to his development.
To be clear, I’m on board with a Malone/Jenkins hire and would prefer we go that direction. I just wouldn’t melt if they gave Willie a half a season without Griffin and Zion ruining things. Instead of having to construct some mythical system where Zion is available and engaged, perhaps WG can actually build a sustainable coaching plan/system around players that can be relied upon.
To be clear, I’m on board with a Malone/Jenkins hire and would prefer we go that direction. I just wouldn’t melt if they gave Willie a half a season without Griffin and Zion ruining things. Instead of having to construct some mythical system where Zion is available and engaged, perhaps WG can actually build a sustainable coaching plan/system around players that can be relied upon.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:04 pm to Fun Bunch
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If they interviewed 10 guys and then hired Dumars, people would debate and not like it but at least they had a process.
The reaction would be the same, just worded differently.
Personally, the process is irrelevant to me. Results are what matter. They had their guy chosen and they went and got him. I really don’t care if they talked to 10 people first and deep down y’all wouldn’t either if the end result remained the same.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:07 pm to Fun Bunch
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Second, the problem is THE PROCESS.
The Saints took a long time to hit on the Payton/Brees combo, but they did. Just because the process is bad doesn't mean it's hopeless. Broken Clock, Blind Squirrel, etc.
Since this is supposed to be a positive thread, here is Shams spreading propaganda about how Dumars' gravitas maybe can get through to Zion.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. If they don't trade Zion they need to replace Willie for sure. Maybe Dumars and a hard nosed coach can get more out of him like Coach K and SVG did.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:09 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Personally, the process is irrelevant to me.
Well, that is objectively dumb. The process is extremely important, ask Nick Saban.
The Saints basically eschewed a real process and ended up with Dennis Allen. This time they carried out an extensive process and ended up with Kellen Moore.
Showing that you HAVE a process, and carrying it through is important. Being thorough, picking the brains of smart people, uncovering all of the information at your disposal and using that info to make a decision is important. It shows that you are willing to put in work, that you are open minded, and that you want to make the right decision.
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They had their guy chosen and they went and got him
They can get him any time they want because no one else wants him. He hasn't had a full time job with a team in 11 years. They could have gotten him in 3 weeks after multiple interviews.
They were dead set on hiring their friend. That is it.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:10 pm to TigerinATL
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If they don't trade Zion they need to replace Willie for sure. Maybe Dumars and a hard nosed coach can get more out of him like Coach K and SVG did.
Go get Sam Cassell
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:13 pm to Fun Bunch
Non basketball people making basketball decisions with no process involved. How could it possibly go wrong here. Imagine that. 
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So why did he fail so bad in Detroit after 2004? What's changed?
Funbunch summarized his tenure with the Pistons. Championships, conference finals, and bust. I'll take that. It's not like he's been sitting on his thumbs since, super successful basketball career.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:19 pm to supe12sta12z
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s with no process involved.
OPTICS.... EVERYONE SCREAM OPTICS....
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:23 pm to Chad504boy
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OPTICS.... EVERYONE SCREAM OPTICS....
Perhaps they could do it not for optics but to have the best, most thorough search that leads to a well informed decision
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:26 pm to Fun Bunch
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Perhaps they could do it not for optics but to have the best, most thorough search that leads to a well informed decision
yeah, cause when the saints went through a thorough search and were the last to hire cause of the super bowl holdout, people bled their vaginas all over the message board for weeks.
bunchie, i think there's been a process going on probably for the past 6 months in preparation of this move. don't be so naive. look, i'm not saying this will be an absolute slam dunk winning move but i'm not going to pretend to be stupid that this was a 5 minute move. No, this has been long planned and probably carefully thought out.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:27 pm to Chad504boy
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yeah, cause when the saints went through a thorough search and were the last to hire cause of the super bowl holdout, people bled their vaginas all over the message board for weeks.
And then they made the right hire. A really good one
So your argument just murdered itself
They hired their friend because they like him and are familiar with him.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:32 pm to Fun Bunch
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So your argument just murdered itself
i've been saying this hypocrisy and bitching no matter what is done or not done or asked to be done or not asked to be done or what dumars job is or what it appears to be or no matter how they structure the right people in the right positions, nothing is relevant except for the fact that we all must bitch at everything and post doomsday thoughts immediately.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:32 pm to Fun Bunch
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And then they made the right hire. A really good one
You know this how? Moore is no more of a sure thing than anyone else hired this offseason, even with the drawn out process.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:37 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Things can be judged in the moment they are done based on a variety of things.
They can be re-evaluated later.
We will judge Dumars based on what he does, but we can judge the hire on paper right now too
Once its done and he has his press conference, its on to judging his actual decisions.
They can be re-evaluated later.
We will judge Dumars based on what he does, but we can judge the hire on paper right now too
Once its done and he has his press conference, its on to judging his actual decisions.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:39 pm to Chad504boy
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i think there's been a process going on probably for the past 6 months in preparation of this move.
This probably is not far off, which makes the "the new POBO will decide on Willie" seem silly. I think they are hoping Willie gets hired before they have to fire him to be nice.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:42 pm to TigerinATL
They're both have Detroit ties and were friends prior to Willie coming here. Don't count on Green going anywhere. He's cheap, they like him, and they will give him the benefit of the doubt because he won 49 games when they were healthy.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:53 pm to whatiknowsofar
The truth is we don't know how this hire will turn out, everyone around the league thought the Griff hire was a slam dunk. Alot of people didn't like the Leon Rose hire for the Knicks or the Lakers hiring Kobe's agent as gm and that worked out for both teams.
Even having a new owner is not a guarantee to success everyone thought the Sun's where going to dominate the west with there new owner after there previous one was viewed as cheap . Then the Mavs new owners let the gm implode there franchise in less than 7 months.
The only thing I can hope for right now is that Joe comes in with a old school mindset of this is a business and non of that family and good human BS. I actually appreciated Isiah Thomas going off on Lebron for looking like a bootleg mechanic while warming up before the game this franchise needs that type of energy. That's why I'm such of fan of Pat Riley
Even having a new owner is not a guarantee to success everyone thought the Sun's where going to dominate the west with there new owner after there previous one was viewed as cheap . Then the Mavs new owners let the gm implode there franchise in less than 7 months.
The only thing I can hope for right now is that Joe comes in with a old school mindset of this is a business and non of that family and good human BS. I actually appreciated Isiah Thomas going off on Lebron for looking like a bootleg mechanic while warming up before the game this franchise needs that type of energy. That's why I'm such of fan of Pat Riley
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:58 pm to Fun Bunch
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We will judge Dumars based on what he does
Exactly what I said.
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but we can judge the hire on paper right now too
Of course, but that’s just to have something to talk about.
Ultimately, nothing matters except the results.
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