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Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:09 pm to Fun Bunch
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It isn't looking great. I think it would look a LOT better than it does now if Zion and BI were playing. We'd be around 500 easily.
Is that supposed to make me feel better?
If we were fully healthy we'd be around .500?
This team when healthy, with a max contract player in his 6th year and a top 20 player on a rookie deal, should be pushing 50 wins, especially when you consider we've had draft pick #4, #13, #10 in the last 3 years.
I"m not trying to say we should be .500 without BI and Zion. The fact that we are 1-8, and it's not getting better anytime soon, is just pathetic considering all the resources we had to build a team over the last 3 years, regardless of whatever excuse you want to make.
Our idiot GM is putting on a clinic of how not to build a playoff contender with an arse load of assets. He's thrown assets in the garbage left and right the last 3 years. We are the laughing stock of the NBA right now. Detroit and OKC and Houston are expected to be bad. We should be a .500+ team at this stage in our rebuild, and we should be on pace to be a 50+ win team next season.
Griff is so worried about giving up too much to bring in that 3rd banana to go with BI and Zion, yet he has no problem throwing shite away while letting go of Lonzo, or signing a RFA that was never going to get matched, or having to get rid of mistakes. Who gives a shite if Indiana wanted 2 firsts and NAW for Brogdon, and you're only willing to give 2 of those 3 away. Just add fricking talent to the team you dumbass. No one will give a shite that you gave up a perceived extra asset to make the deal if we are winning.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:20 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:He's not wrong.
This team when healthy, with a max contract player in his 6th year and a top 20 player on a rookie deal, should be pushing 50 wins, especially when you consider we've had draft pick #4, #13, #10 in the last 3 years.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:26 pm to Bronc
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For instance just taking BPA of Hunter or Garland in the draft
Not drafting Garland will forever haunt me
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
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It isn't looking great. I think it would look a LOT better than it does now if Zion and BI were playing. We'd be around 500 easily
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Is that supposed to make me feel better?
If we were fully healthy we'd be around .500?
This team when healthy, with a max contract player in his 6th year and a top 20 player on a rookie deal, should be pushing 50 wins, especially when you consider we've had draft pick #4, #13, #10 in the last 3 years.
The correct answer is that we have no idea where this team would be with everybody.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Is that supposed to make me feel better?
Yes
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:49 pm to nicholastiger
Your owner is an interior decorator
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:50 pm to Bronc
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Steph and Klay combined salary: 82 million dollars
Zion and Bi combined salary: 39 million dollars.
The excuse making falls entirely apart the moment you do even the most superficial of investigations into either situation.
So I’m not sure it’s really worth debating this bc I assume most reasonable people agree at this point that Griffin has done a poor job rebuilding this team. But this whole talking point you seem to inject into every thread about the salary comparison for each teams best players seems unfair. Teams like Lakers, Warriors and even Philly to a degree are glamour markers that can actually sign free agents. Moreover, they can sign them on vet minimum deals for ring chasing purposes. We can’t do that at all. So let’s not pretend Griff failures (of which there are many) really includes not signing the right free agents. We all know we need to do this exclusively thru the draft and trade market. Seems pretty silly to act like lakers are managing their roster better by having more bench depth than we do with less money to spend on it.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 1:23 pm to Fun Bunch
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Yes
well it doesn't.
Does it not piss you off to see how teams like Atlanta, Denver, Utah, Phoenix, Charlotte, Memphis, and even the Kings be more and more successful after drafting a super star?
Jokic won 46 games his 3rd year, had rookie Murray on that team, have been a 50+ win team since then
Gobert started to excel in year 4, the year they drafted Mitchell, they've been a perennial 50+ win team.
Trae broke out last year surrounded by younglings and slow white dudes, in year 3.
Booker got one guy brought in to help, surrounded by younglings, and they got to the finals in year 6. Phoenix is the poster child for how not to be successful when picking in the top 10 year after year, yet one veteran player turned that around.
Ja transformed Memphis overnight, and he's surrounded by young scrubs.
Lamelo has Charlotte heading in a very positive way in year 2.
Fox is in year 5, and has been given little to no help outside of draft picks, but it's looking up for the Kings this year, and i'd bet most feel better about them for the future than us, despite our talent and assets.
Toronto is playing without their lone max contract player on their current roster, has lost their two best players over the last 2 years for basically nothing other than the #20 pick from 2 years ago who doesn't really move the needle, and they have started the season great. They only have 1 all-star player, not 2, and he's not even playing, yet they aren't 1-8, they are 6-3.
We lost AD and gained an all-star and a load of other assets. we lost Jrue and gained a ton of assets. We lucked into a top 25 player in the league through the draft, yet here we are, with one of the more pathetic rosters in the league and 1-8, and getting worst.
Why is Toronto in a better position than us right now?
Posted on 11/5/21 at 1:28 pm to clooneyisgod
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Teams like Lakers, Warriors and even Philly to a degree are glamour markers that can actually sign free agents.
We can sign guys to the MLE that don't deserve that 3rd year guaranteed but we give it to them to come here.
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We all know we need to do this exclusively thru the draft and trade market.
and we've failed miserably at both of them.
What's the point of having all these assets to make that big trade if you never actually make the big trade. What is this dumbass waiting for?
When you don't have the ability to sign big name FA's, but you have a lot of cap flexibility, then you look to make an uneven trade to absorb salary in the offseason for a team looking to unload a quality player.
Atlanta is no better a destination than we are, yet they overpaid to bring in Gallo and Bogdanivich, as well as Capella, at least we thought they were overpaying, but it all worked out great for them.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 1:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Atlanta, Denver, Utah, Phoenix, Charlotte, Memphis, and even the Kings
Their superstars actually play
Posted on 11/5/21 at 1:35 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Does it not piss you off to see how teams like Atlanta, Denver, Utah, Phoenix, Charlotte, Memphis, and even the Kings be more and more successful after drafting a super star?
They havent made the playoffs in 15 years. I dont thin the word successful and Kings need to be in the same sentence.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 1:36 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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They havent made the playoffs in 15 years. I dont thin the word successful and Kings need to be in the same sentence.
Who makes the playoffs first, us or them? i'd put my money on them at this point.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 1:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Who makes the playoffs first, us or them? i'd put my money on them at this point.
Your point was doesn't it piss you off to see the kings be more successful than us. The Kings in no way have been successful. There are a lot of teams that im jealous of, the Kings are definitely not one of them. Their star player has never been to the playoffs, its not like the team has really done right by him. They have a 22 year old #2 overall pick that has literally done nothing and wants off the team. Im not giving them credit for anything.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 2:12 pm to iwyLSUiwy
fair enough.
They also aren't nearly as talented or asset rich as we are, yet we've both been in the same shitty situation the last 3 years.
They also aren't nearly as talented or asset rich as we are, yet we've both been in the same shitty situation the last 3 years.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 2:16 pm to clooneyisgod
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eams like Lakers, Warriors and even Philly to a degree are glamour markers that can actually sign free agents. Moreover, they can sign them on vet minimum deals for ring chasing purposes. We can’t do that at all. So let’s not pretend Griff failures (of which there are many) really includes not signing the right free agents.
Across the landscape this offseason we saw quality starters and role players sign onto non-glamour market franchises from Doug McDermott and Bryn Forbes to SA, JaMychel Green, Will Barton, and Jeff Green to Denver, Spencer Dinwiddie to Washington.
The idea New Orleans HAD to put all their eggs in one basket and go into scramble mode because "FA's don't want to come here" is a self fulfilling prophecy borne out because Griff aimed for the stars despite all the evidence telling him to rethink.
Add to that this team has had the #4, #13, and #10 pick in subsequent drafts and only one of those picks looks like they are even an NBA rotation level player.
It is simply indefensible.
And the reason I know it is indefensible is in all these responses not a single person has had any actual defense of the collective players and choices made, it's been about trying to find excuses and out-of-context singular examples to try and rationalize away by proxy, those decisions. And when anyone is pushed, they all basically admit to the underlying point I've been making, which is the roster has been heavily mismanaged. There just seems to be an unwillingness to call the spade a spade and a rush to give the benefit of the doubt endlessly to griff
This post was edited on 11/5/21 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 11/5/21 at 2:43 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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They havent made the playoffs in 15 years. I dont thin the word successful and Kings need to be in the same sentence.
Alternatively, despite never lucking into Zion or having the asset bank we had thanks to AD and Jrue, the Kings have a better overall record in the Zion era than the Pels.
I do not imagine anyone three years ago sitting at their TV on draft night would be ok if I told you by year three of Griff's tenure, the Kings will miss the playoffs the next three years....and have a better overall record than the Pels.
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