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re: The Ty Lue potential Head Coach Thread

Posted on 10/2/20 at 5:42 pm to
Posted by Pelicans15
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Posted on 10/2/20 at 5:42 pm to
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The first Hornet game i attended the inaugural season was against the Sixers b/c i wanted to see Iverson


I also remember snow and mckie. My first game was also vs the sixers. Was a play off since the hornets were in the east that year. Nice memories.
Posted by Smedium27
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Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 10/2/20 at 5:52 pm to
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Cavs organization who would try keep Lebron in line, infamously telling him to "shut the frick up" in a huddle.


You might of convinced me here
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 10/2/20 at 11:16 pm to
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Do you think its possible we interviewed Finch internally without any leaks?


I don't think that there's any way that Finch is being considered. If that's the direction that we were going to go, we would have done that midseason. And regardless of how good Finch will ultimately be, it's hard to change a culture if you have been a part of it. We need someone from outside.

As far as Lue goes, I have said before that a guy who does what he is supposed to do with top talent is fine with me.

I am looking for a coach who can create a culture of accountability. Gentry's laid-back style was absolutely wrong for a young team that lacked leadership. Griff thought that Jrue could step up and lead, and it didn't happen. Now, it has to come from a coach.
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 10/2/20 at 11:56 pm to
Seems to me that a 43 year old who is a strong Xs and Os guy with a high basketball IQ has room to grow in the future if all those things are actually true.
Posted by TheWhitemamba16
Dallas
Member since Sep 2018
1091 posts
Posted on 10/3/20 at 1:43 am to
Bro lifelong Sixers fan here.. those players are at best role players on a championship team not starters. Cmon I went to the 76ers finals vs LA I’ll argue till I’m blue in the face
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29758 posts
Posted on 10/3/20 at 6:55 am to
I wasn’t insinuating they were good players, simply that I knew who the next “best” players were after Iverson.
I guess this is a fitting gif for this thread.

Posted by TheWhitemamba16
Dallas
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Posted on 10/3/20 at 7:30 am to
Oh my fault. Continue on.
Posted by TheWhitemamba16
Dallas
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1091 posts
Posted on 10/3/20 at 7:39 am to
Are the pelicans at all considering Sam cassel?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/3/20 at 9:00 am to
Lue and Doc are the only people we have heard about. They are keeping everything very secretive so we just don’t know.
Posted by Mad Scientist26
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 10/3/20 at 10:13 am to
I would love Sam Cassell. That’s my real top choice.
Posted by TheWhitemamba16
Dallas
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Posted on 10/3/20 at 12:25 pm to
Don’t know why people aren’t more interested In him. I’d love to have him or Kenny Atkinson developing yalls young players. Plus I think he could recruit a great coaching staff around him
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 10/3/20 at 2:12 pm to
Interesting criticism of Brett Brown in Philly.

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I think whoever Griff gets improving accountability will be their main trait/task. That was pretty much the theme of his Gentry termination presser and the reason Gentry was fired.
This post was edited on 10/3/20 at 2:13 pm
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13486 posts
Posted on 10/3/20 at 2:49 pm to
That's one thing that the next coach needs to do here - develop a culture. We have very young future stars that need a culture and structure. That was one positive about Rivers. Who would fit that bill?
Posted by TheWhitemamba16
Dallas
Member since Sep 2018
1091 posts
Posted on 10/3/20 at 5:04 pm to
Hahah thanks for sharing but didn’t need that to know Brett let everyone run loose. We’ve known that as fans.. ownership couldn’t come to grips with it
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22198 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:31 am to
So KOC says the Clippers are going to take their time with their search and they want to swing for the fences. A Coach K type of splash hire. He feels like if they really wanted Lue, he'd be hired already. Only took Doc 3 days to get a job.

So what does that mean for Lue, and for us? Does Lue, and by extension Griffin, wait around while Ballmer swings for the fences to see if he comes back around to Lue? Does Lue take a sure job here? Does Griff end up in another holding pattern waiting for Lue? First the bubble, now the Clippers timeline.

Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 10/4/20 at 8:10 am to
It didn’t seem to me based on all the stories that Ballmer would be satisfied with Lue. He wants a change. Of course I don’t think they are interviewing him until today so who knows.

I don’t think he will wait or we will. It might be us or Houston.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466127 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 8:50 am to
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Guys like Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson have raved about his Basketball IQ and think very highly of him as a coach.

i will trust both b/c they're both very intelligent guys

quote:

His teams play Defense.

this is important, too
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127944 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 8:52 am to
On the flipside, he’s a defensive coach but he’s had pretty up and down teams in defensive rankings.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 9:15 am to
Ty Lue’s Defenses

15-16(split with Blatt): 10th ranked defense
16-17: 21st ranked defense
17-18: 29th ranked defense

Every year his defenses got worse and worse.

Ty Lue was not really a defensive coach. His contribution was pace and space. He got the Cavs to load up the score board and out score other teams. That’s what he brought. Defense? Never really saw that in their identity. Blatt actually had the team playing better defense before he was canned.

His offenses were top 5 in offensive rating, and that was largely how the roster was constructed, and that’s largely what his lineups and rotations focused on doing. That was also why he was initially praised after the shift by pundits and Lebron, for modernizing the offense. At one point threatening Houston with most attempted threes for some stretches.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 9:23 am to
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Every year his defenses got worse and worse.


I think defensive coaching is way overrated. Thibs couldn't make KAT and Wiggins play defense in Minnesota even after he brought in his veteran leadership from Chicago.

I'd argue coaching in general is way overrated. You can get guys to play a certain way: hard, smart, fast. But you have to have the personnel to match and I think the more you muddy the team identity (we want to play hard AND smart AND fast), the harder it becomes to execute.

Uncle Al was good at selling play fast. Whoever the next coach is needs to make playing hard a habit. Then in 3-4 years we can bring in someone to make the team play smart.
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