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re: The Ty Lue potential Head Coach Thread
Posted on 10/2/20 at 2:22 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 10/2/20 at 2:22 pm to TeddyPadillac
You are proving the point about roster construction . What is spro doing exactly? They were 10th in the East last year. Subtract cancers like Whiteside, add in a stud like Butler. Draft well. What do you think? They ran through the East in a bubble season bc they are 10 deep and have studs leading the way
You can’t even identify the 2nd best player on AI finals team. Same reason Lebron went ringless. The coaches didn’t carry these teams
Pistons may be a true outlier but even they had all NBA players and a DPOY. The East that year was terrible and had 3 teams with non winning records get in the playoffs and it was the end of the Lakers run. Shaq and Kobe feuding, triangle ineffective with new pieces, Payton and Malone shitshow. Best team won that year
You can’t even identify the 2nd best player on AI finals team. Same reason Lebron went ringless. The coaches didn’t carry these teams
Pistons may be a true outlier but even they had all NBA players and a DPOY. The East that year was terrible and had 3 teams with non winning records get in the playoffs and it was the end of the Lakers run. Shaq and Kobe feuding, triangle ineffective with new pieces, Payton and Malone shitshow. Best team won that year
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Posted on 10/2/20 at 2:31 pm to GynoSandberg
This Heats team is also an outlier. When you get huge contributions from 2 rookies, and a Duncan Robinson who is essentially a rookie.. that is unheard of. They’re getting 42 points from a combination of Herro, Nunn, and Robinson. That’s pretty nuts.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 2:42 pm to supe12sta12z
I’m talking rings not conference titles, but does Spo get credit for those guys balling?
Those guys can let it fly and play their role bc they have an MVP, DPOY and 6thMOY candidates. A bunch of seasons vets filling roles too. Pressureless, sterile bubble.
There is no coach on planet earth that can lead the current Pels roster deep into the playoffs. Add and subtract a few pieces and get a healthy Zion, then there are a bunch of guys who can do the job
Those guys can let it fly and play their role bc they have an MVP, DPOY and 6thMOY candidates. A bunch of seasons vets filling roles too. Pressureless, sterile bubble.
There is no coach on planet earth that can lead the current Pels roster deep into the playoffs. Add and subtract a few pieces and get a healthy Zion, then there are a bunch of guys who can do the job
Posted on 10/2/20 at 3:09 pm to GynoSandberg
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Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes 46s
Yahoo Sources: Tyronn Lue is meeting with New Orleans Pelicans this afternoon, Los Angeles Clippers on Saturday and Houston Rockets on Sunday about their head coach openings.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 3:12 pm to TigerinATL
Yeah he’s not coming here. Feels like we’re strictly being used as leverage for his later interviews
Posted on 10/2/20 at 3:22 pm to GynoSandberg
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You are proving the point about roster construction . What is spro doing exactly? They were 10th in the East last year. Subtract cancers like Whiteside, add in a stud like Butler. Draft well. What do you think? They ran through the East in a bubble season bc they are 10 deep and have studs leading the way
They beat a more talented Bucks team 4-1, and a more talented Celtics team 4-2. Generally, when the less talented team wins, it's b/c they outcoached the other team significantly.
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You can’t even identify the 2nd best player on AI finals team.
Don't question my knowledge. I didn't need to look up that Eric Snow, George Lynch and Aaron Mckie were the main guys behind him. The first Hornet game i attended the inaugural season was against the Sixers b/c i wanted to see Iverson.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 3:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
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They beat a more talented Bucks team 4-1
Giannis is more talented, I don't know about the rest of the Bucks, and Giannis got hurt.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 3:38 pm to saintsfan22
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Giannis is more talented, I don't know about the rest of the Bucks, and Giannis got hurt.
You can argue it all you want, but they have the better roster without a doubt.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 4:05 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Generally, when the less talented team wins, it's b/c they outcoached the other team significantly.
Winning a 5 or 7 game series usually determines which team is more talented. Are you saying the Heat won those series bc of Spoelstra? What obstacles did he overcome with that roster? Do you believe head coaching supersedes roster construction?
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Don't question my knowledge
I wasn’t talking about “you” specifically.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 4:12 pm to GynoSandberg
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Winning a 5 or 7 game series usually determines which team is more talented.
Disagree, you would say that the Nuggets were a more talented team than the Clippers?
Posted on 10/2/20 at 4:20 pm to TigerinATL
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Yahoo Sources: Tyronn Lue is meeting with New Orleans Pelicans this afternoon, Los Angeles Clippers on Saturday and Houston Rockets on Sunday about their head coach openings.
Ehhhhhhh. Those two teams have big time stars. But Griff is a salesman and I would never count him out.
It does seem like we might be being used though. And that’s fine. If it was someone I really wanted I guess I would care a lot more.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 4:22 pm to Fun Bunch
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Those two teams have big time stars
Being 48 and able to coach for years to come, if I were Lue I would rather the Pels. We have 2 stars that will be in the league 15 years (barring injury), Clips and Rockets have at most 3 more years at an elite level.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 4:23 pm to Fun Bunch
The job in New Orleans will have better security. The Clippers/Houston job is a lot of pressure and is likely to get a coach fired after a year or two.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 4:24 pm to GynoSandberg
I think its both a mix of head coaching and roster construction. Some of those other teams do have a better overall roster Celtics, Bucks, Clippers BUT they have a lot of older players with several personalities.
The Jimmy Butler factor is way bigger than I think he gets credit for. The dude left Minny because the players were weak and didn't have his tenacity. Butler being able to build a very young locker room with that mindset and enery has had a lot of success. Also his older role players Crowder, Dragic, Iggy are all hard workers and go about their business. You don't have to worry about attitudes. Also yeah you have to give Spo credit for the talent drafted.
Nuggets are similar in the young underdog tenacity aspect, along with solid talent to build. Coaches can't always control all the personalities and the chemistry their team has. Hint Celtics/ Clippers.
The Jimmy Butler factor is way bigger than I think he gets credit for. The dude left Minny because the players were weak and didn't have his tenacity. Butler being able to build a very young locker room with that mindset and enery has had a lot of success. Also his older role players Crowder, Dragic, Iggy are all hard workers and go about their business. You don't have to worry about attitudes. Also yeah you have to give Spo credit for the talent drafted.
Nuggets are similar in the young underdog tenacity aspect, along with solid talent to build. Coaches can't always control all the personalities and the chemistry their team has. Hint Celtics/ Clippers.
This post was edited on 10/2/20 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 10/2/20 at 4:25 pm to Epic Cajun
So Mike Malone is responsible for responsible for that series win?
How do you want to quantify talent? Every contender is built with their eye on winning playoff series. Denver beat them in 7 games and won by an average of 11 points in their wins. How many games need to be played? Are the Clippers more talented or did they just have the most talented player in the series? Denver had 2 of the top 3 talents in the series no? We can argue round and round about who had better role players
How do you want to quantify talent? Every contender is built with their eye on winning playoff series. Denver beat them in 7 games and won by an average of 11 points in their wins. How many games need to be played? Are the Clippers more talented or did they just have the most talented player in the series? Denver had 2 of the top 3 talents in the series no? We can argue round and round about who had better role players
Posted on 10/2/20 at 4:29 pm to supe12sta12z
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The job in New Orleans will have better security. The Clippers/Houston job is a lot of pressure and is likely to get a coach fired after a year or two.
I think that the argument could be made that the Pels job would be better than both for some coaches.
The clippers have Kawhi so there’s that, almost anyone would want to coach Kawhi. Houston has Morey but a shitty owner and I wouldn’t really want to coach those players.
I’m not convinced that Balmer really wants Lue based on the reports coming out but we will see.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 4:36 pm to Fun Bunch
Yeah, additionally I think the idea that Lue's taking other interviews to leverage more money from the Clips is unlikely since Balmer can buy half the league's teams if he wanted to so what's another couple more millions on Lue's potential contract.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 4:38 pm to Fun Bunch
We’ll see. I look at the Toronto’s process of Hiring of Nurse a couple of years back as reference. Even though Nurse was the favorite, Toronto still went through the whole coaching search and interviews before settling on Nurse.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 4:45 pm to supe12sta12z
we will see. He has to go through his process and take his interviews and we have to do our process.
Hopefully we hear about other interviews.
If Lue is the only one we do before he tells us yes or no i will be pretty upset with Griffin. That’s a pisspoor effort on the process
Hopefully we hear about other interviews.
If Lue is the only one we do before he tells us yes or no i will be pretty upset with Griffin. That’s a pisspoor effort on the process
This post was edited on 10/2/20 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 10/2/20 at 4:51 pm to Fun Bunch
Do you think its possible we interviewed Finch internally without any leaks?
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