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The Ringer: Where are the Zion highlights?
Posted on 1/13/21 at 11:07 am
Posted on 1/13/21 at 11:07 am
This is a solid video with good info, but the thing I have asked and have seen others ask, where are the Zion highlights? How many lobs have we seen this year? Like 3 or 4?
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Posted on 1/13/21 at 11:11 am to CP3forMVP
Well we don't get out in transition it feels like, and the paint has 4-5 defenders in it at all times so its hard for him to get the big highlights.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 11:18 am to CP3forMVP
Dumb. I think the last thing we need to worry about is why he doesn't have enough dunk clips circulating Twitter. He needs to focus on defensive rotations and other fundamentals, not getting more lobs. We know he's more than fine in that area.
This post was edited on 1/13/21 at 11:19 am
Posted on 1/13/21 at 11:22 am to CP3forMVP
Getting ready to read the article but my initial guess is that teams are zoned in on Zion and packing the paint. Opposing Centers are just sitting in the paint and completely ignoring Adams presence and it is killing our half court offense. Just take a look at how much zone teams are running against us. We are also 24th in the league in pace. SVG teams don't really push the pace and that limits two of the things both Zion and Lonzo do very well, and that's getting out on the break. The starting unit is a terrible mashup of talented players that don't compliment each other. Lastly, SVG hasn't been able to fully install a complete offense.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 11:25 am to LesGeaux45
He's averaging 22/8 the hard way but you have to actually watch it to appreciate it. There are no Cliff's Notes for the heavy lifting he's doing.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 11:35 am to TigerinATL
Yeah lobs are hard to come by in a slow paced offense where you're drawing triple teams on the regular.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 11:38 am to CP3forMVP
I feel Like it’s a lack of transition points and a lack of spacing
Last game I watched Was Charlotte and the announcers pt saying “Zion misses another one point blank” and of course there are 2 defenders standing under the basket he’s trying to go over/around to get the layup off.
We have 0 reliable 3 point shooters right now.
There are plays where Zion hits a nice outlet pass, which is what we want to see and the guy just bricks the 3, or passes, or makes a good second pass to a wide open guy who then bricks it.
Last game I watched Was Charlotte and the announcers pt saying “Zion misses another one point blank” and of course there are 2 defenders standing under the basket he’s trying to go over/around to get the layup off.
We have 0 reliable 3 point shooters right now.
There are plays where Zion hits a nice outlet pass, which is what we want to see and the guy just bricks the 3, or passes, or makes a good second pass to a wide open guy who then bricks it.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 11:50 am to 504Voodoo
quote:yea, Zion is putting up good numbers and efficiency in spite of this.
Opposing Centers are just sitting in the paint and completely ignoring Adams presence
Zion is essentially automatically playing 1 on 2 on most touches even before the 3rd guy comes over with Adams' guy just completely ignoring Adams to double Zion.
I've said before, Adams is great and does all the little things and probably has our best net rating on the team, but I do feel like one of, if not, our top priority should be getting guys around Zion that unlock his max potential. And 3 seasons of Adams does concern me in trying to figure out how we do that with so many of his minutes are tied to being on the court with Steven Adams.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 11:54 am to shel311
quote:Will be curious to see if SVG can make Zion and Adams work. Griff was so infatuated with Adams that I am not sure if he considered how/of he would work with Zion. Hopefully by midway through the season it will not be an issue.
yea, Zion is putting up good numbers and efficiency in spite of this.
Zion is essentially automatically playing 1 on 2 on most touches even before the 3rd guy comes over with Adams' guy just completely ignoring Adams to double Zion.
I've said before, Adams is great and does all the little things and probably has our best net rating on the team, but I do feel like one of, if not, our top priority should be getting guys around Zion that unlock his max potential. And 3 seasons of Adams does concern me in trying to figure out how we do that with so many of his minutes are tied to being on the court with Steven Adams.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 11:59 am to CP3forMVP
You’re not going to see them unless he slims up a little more and develops into some sort of point forward role. Right now he is basically a low post small with lack of ball handling, decision making, and offensive game. Now despite ALL that, he is still averaging 22 & 8 which is extraordinary lol
Posted on 1/13/21 at 12:00 pm to LesGeaux45
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Dumb. I think the last thing we need to worry about is why he doesn't have enough dunk clips circulating Twitter. He needs to focus on defensive rotations and other fundamentals, not getting more lobs. We know he's more than fine in that area.
We're fans. We can focus on anything we want.
I would also argue against the "he's more than fine in that area" comment. He's been really bad at the rim this season in iso and post up situations. Like really bad, after not being able to miss in those situations last season. We have to find more ways to get him on the move this year, and if this team is struggling with their floor spacing, they need to take example of Zions (and Hayes when he's on the floor) ability to vertically space the floor.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 12:02 pm to CP3forMVP
If you don't play defense very well AND you aren't just running with reckless abandonment on offense, not a good recipe for highlights
This post was edited on 1/13/21 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 1/13/21 at 12:03 pm to CP3forMVP
quote:I feel like we had that game 2 or 3 games ago where we had a quick play with Zion catching the ball on the move at the top of the key and he quickly charged to the hole, did that spin move and scored both times. I remember AD talking on the game call how that is how we need to use him more and it was a great wrinkle.
We have to find more ways to get him on the move this year,
And I'm fairly certain I never saw us run that set again where he got the ball on the move at the top of the key since that game.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 12:04 pm to Pendulum
quote:That and he's likely our worst defender, pretty sure he our D is at its worst when Zion is on the floor, so he's not doing himself any favors there.
If you don't play defense
Posted on 1/13/21 at 12:09 pm to CP3forMVP
You aren't seeing them to much from Hayes either.
I think Zion needs to lose some weight, but that's not the real reason.
The real reason is b/c we don't have a PG, and also Adams being in with Zion really hurts that.
Jrue was the one throwing those alley oops to Hayes and Zion in the lane. Lonzo did out in transition mostly, and a few in the half court when Zion would spin around the defender, but for the most part, it was Jrue doing all of this, and NAW.
I think Zion needs to lose some weight, but that's not the real reason.
The real reason is b/c we don't have a PG, and also Adams being in with Zion really hurts that.
Jrue was the one throwing those alley oops to Hayes and Zion in the lane. Lonzo did out in transition mostly, and a few in the half court when Zion would spin around the defender, but for the most part, it was Jrue doing all of this, and NAW.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 12:12 pm to CP3forMVP
This video is a segment from The Mismatch podcast episode that dropped yesterday. Directly after this segment they discussed the possibilities of a Bradley Beal trade. Kevin O'Connor starting discussing that the Pelicans made sense as a trade partner with all their assets and that Beal would make a great fit to play with Ingram and Zion. He could barely get this out of his mouth before the other host, Chris Vernon, laughed hysterically and basically called him an idiot. He said the only way the Pelicans could get Beal is if they traded Ingram or Zion for him and that all of our other assets are worth very little. Just thought this was an interesting outside perspective and one that has seemed to grow more and more here with Pels fans realizing the capital we have grown is starting to look less and less valuable.
Here is a link to the whole podcast and the time stamps are listed where they talk about Beal. LINK
Here is a link to the whole podcast and the time stamps are listed where they talk about Beal. LINK
Posted on 1/13/21 at 12:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
Kira threw a lane lob to Hayes in practice in that video clip I posted yesterday. Hopefully he breaks out enough tonight so that he doesn't get shoved back to the end of the bench.
This post was edited on 1/13/21 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 1/13/21 at 12:18 pm to DirtyE
quote:The idiot thing certainly seems a bit much of course, but I am of the belief that there are teams out there who could fairly easily outbid us.
He could barely get this out of his mouth before the other host, Chris Vernon, laughed hysterically and basically called him an idiot. He said the only way the Pelicans could get Beal is if they traded Ingram or Zion for him and that all of our other assets are worth very little. Just thought this was an interesting outside perspective and one that has seemed to grow more and more here with Pels fans realizing the capital we have grown is starting to look less and less valuable.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 12:34 pm to shel311
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there are teams out there who could fairly easily outbid us.
Quality > Quantity in the NBA.
Michael Porter Jr. and the Minnesota draft pick Golden State owns both easily beat any package the Pels could put together for Beal.
Posted on 1/13/21 at 12:48 pm to LesGeaux45
quote:
Dumb. I think the last thing we need to worry about is why he doesn't have enough dunk clips circulating Twitter. He needs to focus on defensive rotations and other fundamentals, not getting more lobs. We know he's more than fine in that area.
I agree that it shouldn’t be a focal point.
But for overall growth of the franchise, I’d like to see his star power to continue to grow.
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