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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:42 pm to Townedrunkard
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:42 pm to Townedrunkard
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Why don’t you tell the class what Kyrie got traded for recently.
Kyrie was traded around an anti-semitism scandal. They are not comparable.
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Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:58 pm to Soggymoss
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You could trade Herb in the deal and maybe you take a step back defensively,
There is no maybe, and the step back would be to the bottom of the league
Look at what ATL has done with better defenders (than if we dealt Herb) in the weak arse East
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because the ceiling of this team goes up from play in to finals contenders
Finals contender? Holy shite
Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:00 pm to 50_Tiger
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Kyrie was traded around an anti-semitism scandal. They are not comparable.
Trae is being traded for failing as a player and teammate. His value is depressed, too. It's comparable (especially considering at their peak Kyrie is MUCH better than Trae)
Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Trae is being traded for failing as a player and teammate. His value is depressed, too. It's comparable (especially considering at their peak Kyrie is MUCH better than Trae)
Yeah thats pretty much the case for any player on the trade block. Their value becomes depressed- hence why they’re on the trade block. Same could be said for guys like Garland, Allen and Dejounte as well.
I mean if they were this amazing player that did everything right- teams wouldn’t want to trade them. There’s a risk in trading any of these guys- the hope is though if it hits (like Kyrie) it could pay major dividends.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:07 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I mean if they were this amazing player that did everything right- teams wouldn’t want to trade them.
Correct.
This is what Kyrie went for
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Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney-Smith, a 2029 first-round pick and two second-round picks in 2027 and 2029
He's the better player with the better peak.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:13 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I mean if they were this amazing player that did everything right- teams wouldn’t want to trade them.
That’s funny
Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He's the better player with the better peak.
Keep in mind when Dallas traded for him he hadn’t agreed to a long term deal with them. Technically it was for a 3 month rental so I think thats a big factor as well.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 11:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Kyrie hasn't been statistically better nor has he had nearly as much success as a #1 than Trae
Trae is being traded for failing as a player and teammate. His value is depressed, too. It's comparable (especially considering at their peak Kyrie is MUCH better than Trae)
The only time Kyrie has had true success was with arguably the GOAT and then arguably a dude who will go down as one of the GOATs.
The fact that we've now seen Kyrie excel to the fullest as a #2 shows where Trae could absolutely shine.
You can say "but Trae wants to be a #1" but that's the entire reason Kyrie left Lebron, and look at him now...
Outside of playing with Lebron and Luka, Kyrie has been a massive disappointment, especially when he was the guy.
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 11:55 pm to 50_Tiger
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Kyrie was traded around an anti-semitism scandal. They are not comparable.
That had little to no bearing on his trade value. It was more a combination of his antics the last few years and his contract situation. There have been leaks of Trae being very difficult and a toxic teammate. So yes they are very much comparable….
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 6/1/24 at 12:08 am to Soggymoss
quote:Not up to any of us to decide including you, but we are discussing on a message board. We may very well have no interest in Trae at all. None of us know but you seem hellbent that Herb has to be traded.
That’s not up to you to decide. If Atlanta says BI and Herb or no deal at all, then you have to trade Herb.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 4:13 am to NOSHAU
Bruh, THIS
Does not even remotely equal this
You’re correct, we may not, and if we don’t then Griff and everyone needs to get fired today, because Trae is literally the single move for a player that’s even remotely attainable right now that would raise our ceiling. And this is coming from someone who has defended Griff his entire tenure and doesn’t think it’s nearly as bad as some make it out to be.
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Like I’ve told you guys multiple times, i would try every avenue available to not move Herb in the deal even if it means I give up Dyson and 2-3 picks
Does not even remotely equal this
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you seem hellbent that Herb has to be traded.
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We may very well have no interest in Trae at all.
You’re correct, we may not, and if we don’t then Griff and everyone needs to get fired today, because Trae is literally the single move for a player that’s even remotely attainable right now that would raise our ceiling. And this is coming from someone who has defended Griff his entire tenure and doesn’t think it’s nearly as bad as some make it out to be.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 4:37 am
Posted on 6/1/24 at 4:19 am to Townedrunkard
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Why don’t you tell the class what Kyrie got traded for recently.
The Kyrie trade has no bearing whatsoever on what Trae will fetch in a deal.
1) Joe Tsai was absolutely hell bent that he was not trading Kyrie to the Lakers who offered Reaves and both of their tradeable 1sts with swaps. Much better deal than they go from Dallas right?
2) Kyrie played 20, 54 and 29 games the previous three seasons while being an absolute pain in the arse PUBLICLY.
3) He or his agent said he would run to the Lakers for the MLE in the offseason no matter who traded for him.
The trades you should be looking at is the Siakam and Mitchell trades, and realize that Trae will get traded for value that lands around the middle of those two deals.
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There have been leaks of Trae being very difficult and a toxic teammate. So yes they are very much comparable….
There’s literally been one reputable leak from Shams and that was when McMillian wanted Trae to participate in shootaround while Trae was getting treatment done on his shoulder. Trae preferred to get the treatment done to try to play that night, then McMillian told him either come off the bench or don’t show up to the arena, so that’s when Trae didn’t show up.
Literally the only reputable report, anything else being said is that he’s really a bit of an a-hole, which frankly we fricking need.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 4:29 am
Posted on 6/1/24 at 4:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is no maybe, and the step back would be to the bottom of the league
Not even close. One player does not take a team from the worst defense in the league into top 5.
Besides we would still have all world defender and good offensive guy (according to some) Dyson Daniels on the team, so we shouldn’t fall off any.
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Look at what ATL has done with better defenders (than if we dealt Herb) in the weak arse East
Ummm, who? DJM is really the only defender Atlanta has, and not a single part of their team fits together.
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Finals contender? Holy shite
Yeah, my bad, wrong of me to think that adding a guy beside Zion that carried his team to the Eastern Conference FINALS at 22 years old wouldn’t make us a finals contender. You’re right, we will just be a play in team.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 4:34 am
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:07 am to Townedrunkard
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That had little to no bearing on his trade value. It was more a combination of his antics the last few years and his contract situation. There have been leaks of Trae being very difficult and a toxic teammate. So yes they are very much comparable….
Kyrie was looked at as a headcase that is unpredictable and has missed games and caused controversies for various reasons. Trae is essentially looked at as selfish, there has never been a question about his desire to play basketball. Not to mention, he’s much younger than Kyrie. His value will be higher than what Kyrie’s was.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:42 am to Soggymoss
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One player does not take a team from the worst defense in the league into top 5.
This would be 2 players from that top 5. Losing our best defender and replacing him with the worst defender in the NBA.
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Besides we would still have all world defender and good offensive guy (according to some) Dyson Daniels on the team, so we shouldn’t fall off any.
DD isn't Herb, and I'm not one of those guys.
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Ummm, who? DJM is really the only defender Atlanta has, and not a single part of their team fits together.
Without Herb, we wouldn't have a plus defender to put by Trae
We all project Trey there some day, but he isn't close to that level. Zion has shown improvement from being bad at D, but he's not anywhere near great. Now the 5 is a question mark, but the 2 may be CJ. If not CJ, then we're rolling out DD who isn't close to Herb (and caps our offense by being a non-factor, likely in addition to a new 5 that's a non-factor).
Without Trae, ATL was a middle of the pack D. With Trae they were god awful. Without Herb, who would make the difference for us compared to ATL?
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adding a guy beside Zion that carried his team to the Eastern Conference FIN
What has he done since?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:53 am to SlowFlowPro
What has Kyrie ever done as a number 1?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:59 am to shel311
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Kyrie hasn't been statistically better
Look at his shooting (I didn't look it up but I will wager it's better across the board) and he's not the worst defender in the NBA.
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nor has he had nearly as much success as a #1 than Trae
If Trae's one outlier postseason was seen as this benchmark like y'all argue for him, especially in addition to counting stats that y'all keep bringing up, he would never be traded.
Very little would separate him from Luka.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:59 am to Epic Cajun
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What has Kyrie ever done as a number 1?
Outside of one outlier postseason, what has Trae?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 7:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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Without Herb, we wouldn't have a plus defender to put by Trae
Hypothetically lets say the deal lands Trae for BI and Herb, no picks. We can then expand the trade before it’s final and send Larry with 2 1sts to Cleveland for Allen. There’s your plus defender in the starting 5.
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What has he done since?
You mean the two years he took the eventual EC champs to 6 games while having zero help from anyone else?
Maybe some of y’all forget Trae is only 25, he has a VERY good resume for a player that has yet to hit his prime.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 7:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Very little would separate him from Luka.
And then we would be discussing what else we have to add to a BI, Herb, Trey and 5 1sts package to pair him with Zion.
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