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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 5/31/24 at 4:43 pm to Townedrunkard
Posted on 5/31/24 at 4:43 pm to Townedrunkard
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No but you have tried throwing him in a bunch of your trades for players that don’t move the needle
Nearly every trade I’ve proposed has Trae Young coming back
If that’s not a needle moving move, then I don’t know what you think is.
You’re acting like Dyson is a high level 6th-7th man when in reality he can’t even get playoff minutes when we’re getting our arse handed to us because he’s such a huge offensive liability.
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What do you think of Ivey and Sharpe?
They are both busts compared to their draft position so far, as is Jabari Smith Jr and Jalen Green. All of them including Dyson could use a change of scenery
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 4:47 pm
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Posted on 5/31/24 at 4:50 pm to Soggymoss
I don’t think DD is gonna make or break us getting Trae, BI will be the main piece. I’m all about getting Trae and have been pushing harder for him than anyone on here. That being said, I’m definitely keeping Herb and DD together with Trae.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 4:56 pm to Townedrunkard
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I don’t think DD is gonna make or break us getting Trae
Atlanta will want at least one young player in that deal, I wouldn’t send Hawk because he fits like a glove with Zion, Trey I’m not trading for obvious reasons, and Herb I would trade only if I absolutely had to, but absolutely no picks whatsoever would be attached, so the only reasonable one to send out would be Dyson.
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 4:56 pm to Townedrunkard
Dyson probably won't be an impactful offensive player until his 3rd contract which is very far away.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 5:11 pm to Soggymoss
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Atlanta will want at least one young player in that deal, I wouldn’t send Hawk because he fits like a glove with Zion, Trey I’m not trading for obvious reasons, and Herb I would trade only if I absolutely had to, but absolutely no picks whatsoever would be attached.
What kinda haul you think they are getting for Trae? BI will probably be the best player they get. I can’t think of another team that has another caliber player that’s on the trade block that has interest in him. His salary is huge and he’s a major defensive liability. And you think they are going to get BI and someone like Herb?
I’m definitely sending them BI and a first or two instead of DD or Hawkins. We wasted years of helping develop them so no need to add younger players and restarting the clock on that when we are ready to win now. I expect DD to really take a jump in the next year or two.
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 5:20 pm to Soggymoss
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I don’t think DD is gonna make or break us getting Trae
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Herb I would trade only if I absolutely had to
Posted on 5/31/24 at 5:47 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:If Dyson is the sticking point on a Trae Young deal, he's gone.
No way am I including Dyson in any trade.
Dyson is worlds away from being an untouchable.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 5:49 pm to Soggymoss
quote:I would trade several 1sts before even thinking of trading Herb.
Atlanta will want at least one young player in that deal, I wouldn’t send Hawk because he fits like a glove with Zion, Trey I’m not trading for obvious reasons, and Herb I would trade only if I absolutely had to, but absolutely no picks whatsoever would be attached, so the only reasonable one to send out would be Dyson.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:05 pm to shel311
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If Dyson is the sticking point on a Trae Young deal, he's gone.
Dyson is worlds away from being an untouchable.
BI + DD
or BI + 1, 1st
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:17 pm to NOSHAU
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I would trade several 1sts before even thinking of trading Herb
That’s not up to you to decide. If Atlanta says BI and Herb or no deal at all, then you have to trade Herb.
Would I rather send two firsts instead of Herb? Absolutely, but Atlanta may not want the picks and may prefer the player.
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I’m definitely sending them BI and a first or two instead of DD or Hawkins
See above
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And you think they are going to get BI and someone like Herb?
It’s like you guys have paid absolutely zero attention to NBA trade landscape the last few years. Yes, Trae Freaking Young will fetch Atlanta a fringe all star caliber player with a young player and/or picks. And we definitely wouldn’t get him for BI, Nance and Dyson, even then we will have to add picks for a LEGIT ALL PRO 30/11 player.
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 7:15 pm to Soggymoss
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That’s not up to you to decide. If Atlanta says BI and Herb or no deal at all, then you have to trade Herb.
Then you walk away and wish them luck. And work on other offers. Traes value to me is his fit with Herb but also that we can get him at a major discount.
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 7:44 pm to Townedrunkard
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Then you walk away and wish them luck. And work on other offers.
There will not be any other players available this offseason that’s better than Trae, and if there are then you DEFINITELY are giving up Ingram and Herb along with picks to get them.
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Traes value to me is his fit with Herb but also that we can get him at a major discount.
Trae’s value to anyone should be his fit with ZION, nobody else. What makes you think he can come at a major discount? Just because Atlanta got the first pick? I don’t understand the thinking that we will be able to get a talent like Trae by paying 40 cents on the dollar, but think other teams will pay 1.25 for Ingram
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 8:02 pm to Soggymoss
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That’s not up to you to decide. If Atlanta says BI and Herb or no deal at all, then you have to trade Herb.
We can say no.
We better say no we
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It’s like you guys have paid absolutely zero attention to NBA trade landscape the last few years. Yes, Trae Freaking Young will fetch Atlanta a fringe all star caliber player with a young player and/or picks. And we definitely wouldn’t get him for BI, Nance and Dyson, even then we will have to add picks for a LEGIT ALL PRO 30/11 player.
You way over-value Trae
Posted on 5/31/24 at 8:04 pm to Soggymoss
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Trae’s value to anyone should be his fit with ZION, nobody else.
He only fits with Zion with Herb and Trey
And that ignoring all the mentality/off court issues.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 8:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You way over-value Trae
No, you just way under value him.
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He only fits with Zion with Herb and Trey
Ummm, this is not true in the slightest bit. You could trade Herb in the deal and maybe you take a step back defensively, but you took 3 steps forward offensively. Trae’s fit on this team is the offense he beings with his gravity and his passing, defensive players can be rotated out and if there’s one type of player we have shown we are elite at finding it’s defensive guys.
Like I’ve told you guys multiple times, i would try every avenue available to not move Herb in the deal even if it means I give up Dyson and 2-3 picks, but if I absolutely have to move Herb I do it because the ceiling of this team goes up from play in to finals contenders
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 8:26 pm to Soggymoss
If Trae comes to Nola, Herb isn’t going out no matter what.
It makes no sense to have Trae here without Herb. If they want to be that stubborn about us getting Trae then we aren’t trading for him. Simple as that. I’m pretty sure the vast majority of people here understand that. And we all understand we have to overpay to get what we want here, but this one makes no sense.
Herb isn’t untouchable, but he is in a Trae Young trade.
It makes no sense to have Trae here without Herb. If they want to be that stubborn about us getting Trae then we aren’t trading for him. Simple as that. I’m pretty sure the vast majority of people here understand that. And we all understand we have to overpay to get what we want here, but this one makes no sense.
Herb isn’t untouchable, but he is in a Trae Young trade.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 8:36 pm to Soggymoss
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Nearly every trade I’ve proposed has Trae Young coming back
We know
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:10 pm to Soggymoss
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You way over-value Trae
No, you just way under value him.
Its actually neither.
He isn't undervaluing Trae, you are just severely undervalueing Herb.
Herb is the guy that would be thrown around in trades with Booker/ ANT/ Jokic/ Giannis/ Tatum Not a fringe top 20 or top 10
He is also the player that helps those guys win a championship so we wouldn't trade him anyway.
By contract he is most likely more valuable and safe than Zion.
The legit trade package for Trae probably would be
BI + (1) 1st
BI + (2) 1st
BI + Dyson
BI + Dyson + 1st.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:11 pm to Dantheman504
A more triggering trade that should be a no brainer would be:
BI + Jose + (1) 1st
BI + Jose + (1) 1st
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:25 pm to Soggymoss
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It’s like you guys have paid absolutely zero attention to NBA trade landscape the last few years
Why don’t you tell the class what Kyrie got traded for recently. And Trae has never been on his level….
I’m all about getting Trae and agree he’s the only guy that I think would be the better player in a BI trade. But I only want it if our lineup will have him alongside Herb Trey and Zion. And I really want to hang on to DD to rotate with both of them.
I just don’t see a market for Trae outside of our team and that will bring his value down. Atlanta will have to accept that or just hang onto him. It’ll be their decision. And that’s only if Griffs pussy arse woukd pull the trigger.
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 9:35 pm
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