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re: The future of Jrue Holiday on this team

Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:52 pm to
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:52 pm to
There is no such thing as a guy who makes $26 mil being undervalued or underrated
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
25025 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 5:01 pm to
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Lol I Don't do drugs


So you're just retarded then
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17253 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 5:01 pm to
Well, he has done everything he said he would do so far, so until he gives me a reason to, yes I will take his words at face value..

Now if he would have said something along the lines of "We love Jrue and definitely could see him here for the rest of his career", then I would be a little hesitant, but in his introduction conference he called Jrue the building block of this organization, and has backed that up every step of the way
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 5:03 pm to
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ere is no such thing as a guy who makes $26 mil being undervalued or underrated



The Pelicans valued him pretty fairly, but he is underrated as far as the love he gets/deserves.

I like Klay Thompson, seems like a good dude, his shot is nuts and he plays good D. That being said, Jrue deserved to be an all star over him this year. At the all star break, Klay wasnt shooting good and statistically didnt deserve to be an all star. D. Mitchell, and even Tobias Harris should have got in over him (Gobert being the biggest snub though). But Klay got in bc he's Klay. As Pelicans fans sure, we dont underrate him, but for the most part, the rest of the country does.

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 5:03 pm to
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Griffin has no attachment to jrue, whose value will never be higher than it is now. He probably has no qualms about trading jrue for the right offer considering he’s 29, has injury history and may not line up with the Pels window


You also have to look at multiple moves together. I really think Jrue can pull in SGA + 1 or 2 other assets from the Clippers. Many people think Smart and Jrue would be redundant in both skill set and leadership. Trade AD to Boston and get back Smart and that minimizes losing Jrue while getting more future assets. Maybe SGA/Tatum/Zion is the core you want to roll with or maybe you can turn SGA + other assets from Clippers/Boston into Ja if you really like Morant.

I like Jrue a lot, but he is not untouchable, you just need the right moves lined up to make it worth trading him.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 5:08 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 5:13 pm to
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I like Jrue a lot, but he is not untouchable

Jrue is a badass, but if you're forced to trade AD, I don't think Jrue lines up well with the Zion/rebuilding timeline and if you can get young assets by trading him, you have to consider it. Especially if you can get something like SGA+a pick, for example.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 5:17 pm to
Griffin hasn’t done anything yet regarding player personnel except luck into the 1st overall pick and set up a meeting to convince AD to stay. So to assume he’s stuck to any sort of plan thus far would be disingenuous.

And a lot has to do with Holidays commitment. He’s not going to say he doesn’t want to be here in a public forum, we’ve seen that with AD. Jrue got his contract, and already said AD was the main reason he committed. AD and Boogie pushed him hard to return to the Pels.

I like Jrue but there is a timeline and window here. And nothing will fall until the AD stuff. His value will never be higher. I think griffin has to consider it if the right deal comes along
Posted by Ruler1
Member since Oct 2017
36 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 6:02 pm to
Exactly and well said.

I love Jrue, but people act like Jrue is the anointed one, like he can't be moved -- Jrue is not untouchable

Since May 14 this team has become Zion's team; and every future decision that will be made, will be made with him in mind, not Jrue. This team will be built around Zion; and after u trade AD for picks/young players, u must test the market for Jrue to see what type assets u can fetch for him; and if u find a deal u love u do it. Simple. U can always find vets to bring in to help the young ones along

Potentially trading Jrue is not some insane, out of this world crazy idea some are making it out to be.

People have to take their emotions out of it and think objectively
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 6:06 pm
Posted by roguepelican
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 6:07 pm to
this coming from the guy who dreamed it
Posted by Ruler1
Member since Oct 2017
36 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 6:15 pm to
Precognitive abilities, logic, and reason all have their place. All coexist

Posted by Ruler1
Member since Oct 2017
36 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 6:41 pm to
Phoenix: #6 pick/player and another future first

Clippers: SGA plus future first(s)

It would have to be in the ballpark of this imo
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
25025 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 6:41 pm to
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Precognitive abilities, logic, and reason all have their place. All coexist


Posted by Ruler1
Member since Oct 2017
36 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 6:49 pm to
Let's see if ur gonna be laughing when the trade for ur precious Jrue materializes
Posted by bayarea_ryan
Member since Apr 2019
68 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 7:00 pm to

Assuming AD does get traded, this will be an interesting situation for Griffin. He spoke of developing culture, but I think we all know that Jrue's value will never be higher than it is now, and he doesn't line up with Zion's years when we expect him to be a superstar.

So if AD goes for young pieces, will Griffin choose to get more young assets or will he prefer what Jrue brings in terms of culture? Will he even consider what the return for Jrue is?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36277 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 7:03 pm to
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Will he even consider what the return for Jrue is?

It would be irresponsible not to.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 7:23 pm to
I’m not looking to trade Jrue at all, but what if the best return on AD is the Knicks offer? The Pels could miss the playoffs for a few years if they go that young and Jrue has said he wants to compete for the playoffs.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20661 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 7:33 pm to
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That being said, Jrue deserved to be an all star over him this year. 


Well, Dirk was still an All Star this year, so ...
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 7:35 pm to
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I don't think Jrue lines up well with the Zion/rebuilding timeline


This all depends on the return NO gets from an AD trade.

A Knicks package, he doesn't fit the timeline.Celtics, Clippers, Raptors, he does.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36277 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 7:41 pm to
I don’t really think he fits with a Clippers package either, the best part of that deal (SGA) probably needs a couple (or few) years of development before he’s ready to contribute as a top 2-3 player on a successful team.
Posted by barbapapa
Member since Mar 2018
3797 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 7:45 pm to
I don't know if it's Jrue's responsibility to mentor Zion per se but being around his worth ethic and demeanor would be really nice for zion's development
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