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re: Teams shot 71% percent at the rim on the pelicans and 62 percent at rim on the grizzlies
Posted on 7/31/23 at 9:44 am to saintsfan92612
Posted on 7/31/23 at 9:44 am to saintsfan92612
quote:Yea, it's pretty funny that basically other than Herb, all the dudes who played the most minuets last season we complained about their defense, some more than others(CJ & Jonas.)
Pelicans had the #6 defense in the league last year despite this so Herb and co were doing work on the wings.
And yet, we finish with the 6th best defense in the NBA, that doesn't happen if all those dudes are as bad as Pels Talk made them out to be last season.
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Posted on 7/31/23 at 9:53 am to Albino Potato
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Steven Adams played 42 game last year for the grizzlies and they have much better team defense than the Pelicans. Also, Triple J there definitely helps everyone.
Didn't know that, Jonas still can't play defense
Posted on 7/31/23 at 9:54 am to shel311
Now let's add frequency to those percentages and that will tell you more about those numbers with poor context. That'll surprise some people.
This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 9:55 am
Posted on 7/31/23 at 9:54 am to Epic Cajun
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I don't give a shite about your Steven Adams point, but the point that should be taken from this thread is that we need someone other than Jonas playing center for us next season.
This the point I was trying to get at
Posted on 7/31/23 at 9:57 am to DallasTiger45
quote:Adams>jv on d
And to OP- do you think the guy averaging 3 blocks a game or the guy averaging 1.1 blocks a game is leading that rim defense for Memphis?
Posted on 7/31/23 at 10:19 am to shel311
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And yet, we finish with the 6th best defense in the NBA, that doesn't happen if all those dudes are as bad as Pels Talk made them out to be last season.
JV is a bottom tier rim protector. If the Pels had a good rim protector they would have elite defense.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:18 am to Epic Cajun
With what I hope is our "main" 8-man rotation this year...we will have 2 well above average defenders (Herb & Dyson) & 1 a tad above average (Nance, who, bless his heart, can't come close to being a rim protector when playing where we must use him, at the 5)
All our others are, sadly, well below average. (Wish I could include Jose as a solid defender, but honesty compels to consider his lack of size and the fact he would have a target on his back, defensively, whenever he is in a serious game, at crunch time)
PS: This why the Pels will do WHATEVER is required ...to get Herb & Dyson on the court at the same time...regardless of how poorly one or both might be...on the offensive end.
All our others are, sadly, well below average. (Wish I could include Jose as a solid defender, but honesty compels to consider his lack of size and the fact he would have a target on his back, defensively, whenever he is in a serious game, at crunch time)
PS: This why the Pels will do WHATEVER is required ...to get Herb & Dyson on the court at the same time...regardless of how poorly one or both might be...on the offensive end.
This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 11:24 am
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:42 am to bobBoxer
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Adams>jv on d
JV>>>Adams on O
Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
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JV>>>Adams on O
Unfortunately we need a big who can defend, we have enough scorers
Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:54 pm to bobBoxer
i agree, just pointing out that just b/c Adams is the better defender, doesn't make him the better fit on our team, or make him better than JV, b/c he's not.
While rim protection is obviously very important, having a good game plan for playoff screen switching basketball is what the name of the game is.
Herb and Dyson are great at fighting through screens, and that is extremely important. I can't stand when they just switch immediately without even attempting to get around the pick. JV just isn't a good defender at all when it comes to playoff switching basketball, and there aren't that many true centers that are. The defensive game plan has to be adjusted to their skills to be successful, adn then you have to have the other 4 defenders who can execute that game plan to help the 5 out. Obviously that's a lot easier when JJJ is playing the 5 as compared to JV.
While rim protection is obviously very important, having a good game plan for playoff screen switching basketball is what the name of the game is.
Herb and Dyson are great at fighting through screens, and that is extremely important. I can't stand when they just switch immediately without even attempting to get around the pick. JV just isn't a good defender at all when it comes to playoff switching basketball, and there aren't that many true centers that are. The defensive game plan has to be adjusted to their skills to be successful, adn then you have to have the other 4 defenders who can execute that game plan to help the 5 out. Obviously that's a lot easier when JJJ is playing the 5 as compared to JV.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:17 pm to Epic Cajun
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JV is a bottom tier rim protector. If the Pels had a good rim protector they would have elite defense.
JV only plays 25 MPG
That means 23 other minutes at center were equally or nearly as bad.
JV isn't the solution, but his 'backup' is a problem just as well.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:21 pm to bobBoxer
Who really cares about rim percentage if teams aren’t getting to the rim all that frequently?
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:29 pm to htran90
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That means 23 other minutes at center were equally or nearly as bad.
JV isn't the solution, but his 'backup' is a problem just as well.
Regardless of what we think of Nance as a "defender" at the 5...the Pels obviously think we are a better team with Nance as our "closer"...& they believe he gives us our best shot at winning. JMO: I totally agree & it's not even close.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:59 pm to htran90
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but his 'backup' is a problem just as well.
This is where Zion comes in as a help defender and keeps our rim protected. He's a really good jumper and his instincts aren't terrible, and he altered a lot of shots last year w/o blocking them. If we get that version of him for 65 we'll be fine.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:28 pm to bobBoxer
You obviously didn’t watch the Pels when we had Adams.
He was maybe 3% better than Jonas defensively and 97% worse on offense.
I can’t think of a big I’d want less on our team than Adams.
Bledsoe got the majority of the heat that season, but Adams was equally to blame for that season being a failure. Likable dude that could rebound. But that’s it.
He was maybe 3% better than Jonas defensively and 97% worse on offense.
I can’t think of a big I’d want less on our team than Adams.
Bledsoe got the majority of the heat that season, but Adams was equally to blame for that season being a failure. Likable dude that could rebound. But that’s it.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:39 pm to whatiknowsofar
Funny enough we were considered good in 2021. Maybe there's something to having a rangy 4 to help limit these shots.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:52 pm to bobBoxer
He was such a liability on offense. With todays centers hitting 3’s he is almost unplayable
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:08 pm to bobBoxer
Jaren Jackson Jr.has way more to do with Memphis being so good at the rim than Adams ever could hope to be.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:42 pm to LSUPilot07
Few things….
Adams was not bad for us. He did tail off towards the end of the season as he takes a beating throughout the year and has worn down almost every season in the league. Adam’s is a good player and not sure why anyone argues otherwise.
The Grizzlies had the best defense in the league with Jonas at center. Take that for what you will. Grizz have had a good defense for a long time, and it’s certainly not impossible to play good D with Jonas. He’s one of the best rebounders in the league, and he’s generally where he is supposed to be.
Jonas is not a quick leaper, and it can really be taken advantage of with the pick and roll. Jonas does more good than bad, there is no question. But in any meaningful game if we ever get there, that is a scab that will be picked. And even a Deandre Ayton can look like Hakeem with a good game plan.
Adams was not bad for us. He did tail off towards the end of the season as he takes a beating throughout the year and has worn down almost every season in the league. Adam’s is a good player and not sure why anyone argues otherwise.
The Grizzlies had the best defense in the league with Jonas at center. Take that for what you will. Grizz have had a good defense for a long time, and it’s certainly not impossible to play good D with Jonas. He’s one of the best rebounders in the league, and he’s generally where he is supposed to be.
Jonas is not a quick leaper, and it can really be taken advantage of with the pick and roll. Jonas does more good than bad, there is no question. But in any meaningful game if we ever get there, that is a scab that will be picked. And even a Deandre Ayton can look like Hakeem with a good game plan.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:52 pm to PELsu
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Adams was not bad for us. He did tail off towards the end of the season as he takes a beating throughout the year and has worn down almost every season in the league. Adam’s is a good player and not sure why anyone argues otherwise.
He was a terrible fit with Zion. Zion's +/- was better without Adams on the court, and Adams's +/- was better with Zion off.
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