re: Tatum vs ingram

How much better is Ingram on a max than Randle for likely half that?

David Thorpe goes long on Ingram in a recent TrueHoop newsletter

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Why the Pelicans should have traded Davis to L.A. anyway The general consensus seems to be that the Pelicans were smart to keep Davis. They can trade him to the Lakers later, or not at all, for a slew of young talent. This summer, the CBA rules will let the Celtics join the bidding, and they might offer the highly-regarded Jayson Tatum as well as their valued draft picks.

The snap judgment is that the Celtics can make the better offer, largely because Tatum is much better than Ingram. I don’t assume that’s set in stone. Or, I assume that both players have a ton of elasticity in what they might become.

If you look at the nitty gritty of Ingram’s game, there is every reason to believe he could be Tatumesque. The model for Ingram is Tobias Harris. At 19, Harris was a first-round pick who was too skinny and weak to play power forward but not skilled enough to be a perimeter-based wing. He made just 26 shots from 3-point land that rookie season on 26 percent accuracy. He didn’t improve much in his second and third years. His breakout came in his fourth year, when he graduated from a bad shooter to a solid one, averaging more than one made 3-pointer per game, while hitting 36 percent.

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This is not an argument that Ingram will be better than Tatum. Only that he could be as good. They had almost exactly the same stats in their one season at Duke, and most experts would argue Ingram had the better overall season. And they’re both very young: Ingram’s first legal beer would have been during this year’s preseason. Tatum is six months and a day younger.

Ingram might still be getting used to his height. He grew more than eight inches in high school and is still developing physically, with a reported 7-foot-4 wingspan and 9-foot-2 standing reach -- dimensions more typical of an NBA center. I see a lot of Paul George in him (and for you old-timers, watch the video above and think about George "The Iceman" Gervin) -- both were late bloomers physically. Ingram is not as strong or explosive as George but he’s a far better ball-handler than George was at this age. Ingram’s length and skill with the ball help him get to the free throw line at an incredible rate -- 4.8 attempts per game in his second season and 5.5 this year, 21st in the NBA, ahead of Curry, Jimmy Butler, and Bradley Beal. Tatum shoots only 3.2 free throws per game. George was 23 before he surpassed Ingram’s current rate. James Harden draws fouls as well as anyone in history, and even he turned 22 before drawing six free throws a game.

Shooting is what distinguishes Tatum. He projects to be an elite shooter, and that’s a big reason his free throw attempts are low — he shoots more than he drives into traffic to draw contact. As Tatum’s role grows on offense, we can expect him to draw more fouls. It’s that shooting talent that has him earmarked for greatness, with a lot of cognoscenti saying he’ll shine brighter than Ingram.

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What I'm getting at: It’s universally assumed that Tatum is going to be a far better player than Ingram. But career arcs like Harris’s should slow that universe down. If Ingram were playing in his third year under Brad Stevens, we all might see things differently. You only have to look at the Warriors’ Draymond Green and Thompson to understand how a coaching change can make a monumental difference. Both were re-born under Steve Kerr, leading to titles and All-Star appearances. Ingram has a chance at that kind of improvement.

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David Thorpe goes long on Ingram in a recent TrueHoop newsletter

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This type of stuff has become frowned upon around here.

Why?

It is very en vogue to troll and get a rise out of laker fans due to the drama this past month

It is not really just Tatum vs Ingram in my view it's Ingram vs someone who actually wants to stay here long term

Ingram will have one season before he wants a max is very very unlikely to want to stay in Nola. The Eric Gordon(who he reminds some of) debacle and the recent AD debacle are fresh in peoples minds and do not want another repeat.

I and I'm sure the majority of people believe Ingram is a good young player but it's not surprising given that he's viewed by lakers fans as too good for the pels that there's a negative reaction

Even if Ingram wanted to stay here for a few more years, the package deal with the Celtics is way better even if it’s just players only.

Has Ingram or "sources close to" him come out against going to NO?

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he's viewed by lakers fans as too good for the pels

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Why would anyone listen to Lakers fans about the value of a player they are trying to trade for Anthony Davis?

They've done a little bit regarding potential FO names and GMs and an article or 2 about Tatum but I only went back about a month

I'd imagine they'll post a lot more about prospects or potential trades as we get closer to say may 14th. There isn't much really to talk about ATM besides rightfully calling for AD to go home.

I do agree that they need to tone it down on twitter as it was fun for the first week and the rematch but it's getting a big old

Personally, I like Ingram and Ball as much as I like Tatum and Smart. It's all the other stuff:

1. Will Ball want to play here and will his daddy shut up?

2. The other assets each side has to offer. Lakers basically have Kuzma, the 13th pick and future picks that will be pretty bad. Celtics have Brown to offer, Williams, Ojeleye, the 14th pick, the 18th pick, the 22nd pick, and Memphis future pick

3. Celtics are in the East

I don't hate Ingram, but for those reasons, I like the Boston deal better. But if the Lakers can flip the other stuff for another good player to pair with Ingram, then I would consider them. If I can walk away with Ingram, Beal, and two future Lakers 1sts, then I trade AD to LA and let him be soft over there

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If you put them with Jrue and Randle (I personally hope we keep both of them no matter what),

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They already sucked playing with Randle.