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re: Suns, Bulls reportedly offering lottery picks for Lonzo Ball

Posted on 6/2/19 at 3:53 pm to
Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
5758 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 3:53 pm to
I want no part of Lonzo but there seems to be some concerted effort (probably the Lakers) to hype him up this off-season.
Posted by JayWalkTiger
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2014
874 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 3:59 pm to
JA would 100% go before Sexton, and RJ would 100% go before Knox.
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6112 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 4:02 pm to
Lakers are getting to that extreme desperation zone if they aren't already maxed out in that department

If they don't swing for a big trade or land a top FA, things will get even uglier
This post was edited on 6/2/19 at 4:07 pm
Posted by Ruler1
Member since Oct 2017
36 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 4:07 pm to
Would love to acquire the 6th pick to get Coby White

He's the most slept on in the top ten who will prove to be better than some picked before him

Coby and Zion in transition would be electric. Hope we get em
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46863 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 4:12 pm to
quote:

JA would 100% go before Sexton, and RJ would 100% go before Knox.


completely disagree but there’s no way to prove that so it’s moot.
morant has real deficiencies that may ground him in the NBA...he’s just better than most in THIS draft. Players like shamet, SGA and bridges, etc who went mid round last year are building blocks going forward. I don’t see that at all in this draft
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 4:30 pm to
I’d rank the last 2 classes like this


Zion
Luka
Ja
SGA
Trae
JJJ
Bagley
Barrett
Ayton
Sexton


This is just how I view them as prospects. Trae was obviously better than SGA, but I value the versatility and his defensive potential more.
Posted by TeachMeHowTaDante
DC
Member since Feb 2015
417 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 4:39 pm to
Sexton went 8th last year and arguably was the worst defender in the nba for most of last season. Morant has more offensive talent and the IT factor and would easily go before Sexton in a combined draft. Ja would probably go before volume shooter Trae in a combined draft as well.

Nobody gave a flying F about Shal last year. Everyone wants to act like he’s some juggernaut that should be valued evenly or even above Ja and/or RJ just because he had a decent nba season. And decent is being kind, his advanced numbers were absolute arse.

This 2019 draft is going to turn out much better than people think. People act like 18-22 year olds are finished prospects that will never improve even though now they will be playing and training for nba basketball 24-7 with better coaches, trainers, and nutritionists around them than they’ve ever had in their lives. Let’s not talk ourselves into passing on much more talented prospects than Shal simply bc Shal showed he is merely decent in one NBA season surrounded by elite coaching and veterans to ease the load.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103162 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 4:40 pm to
And I will eat popcorn and enjoy every fricking second of it.

They have been openly tampering with other teams’ stars for years then lowballing them on trades under the argument that they will just sign them anyway.

Watching them either strike out completely or blow their wad on third tier or fourth tier talent would be fun to watch.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17443 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 5:09 pm to
Too many rookies on one team.. I would say 1 more highly drafted rookie at most.. With Zion needing to develop, you dont want the other guys to feel like they have no chance because of our "prized" guy..

All the picks from Boston wouldnt be a bad thing, because we can pick high potential guys (think Bol Bol), or guys with an injury that need time to heal (Porter), and others that you feel may develop into something, especially starting a g-league team
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103162 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 5:13 pm to
Is Sekou Doumbouya expected to come over from Europe if drafted this year?
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10117 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 5:19 pm to
quote:

Ja would probably go before volume shooter Trae in a combined draft as well.


Trae was a much better prospect than Ja.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20783 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 5:19 pm to
I'd be fine with three 1st-round picks this year, but no more than that. But if we acquire more than that, we can always flip them into picks next year.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 5:20 pm to
How were his advanced numbers arse?

Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17443 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 5:28 pm to
Yes he is.. Now if we do get a pick in the 6-10 range, he is someone I would like to pick up.. It will take a couple years, but he will develop into a PG13 lite IMO
Posted by TeachMeHowTaDante
DC
Member since Feb 2015
417 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 6:21 pm to
Lol. Not at all. Trae is a smurfy volume shooter that got figured out 2 months into his college season. Nobody was excited about him heading into the draft. People openly mocked the Hawks for picking him at 5.

Trae is a decent shooter and has good court vision.

Ja is a great shooter, with elite court vision, and elite athleticism.

Ja would’ve gone number 1 or 2 in a lot of drafts over the past few seasons.
Posted by TeachMeHowTaDante
DC
Member since Feb 2015
417 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 6:27 pm to
13.4 PER

O Rating 108
D Rating 112

.074 W/S per 48

-0.6 OBPM
.0.2 DBPM
-0.3 BPM

Keep in mind this is for a 48-34 team so that speaks volumes when a lot of these metrics are still below average.

To be clear, I like Shal fine, but don’t think he should be valued over Ja, RJ, or even Cobi White/Garland due to his unexpectedly decent rookie season. It’s not like he did anything that special to make you say F it let’s trade for a guy with 1 less year of a cost control contract because we know for a fact that he’s almost an average NBA player and we don’t know how these higher rated prospects are going to develop and pan out.

No, you take the most talented guy and you coach and develop him. You don’t take the other guy just because he wasn’t the disaster everyone expected him to be in his rookie year.
This post was edited on 6/2/19 at 6:37 pm
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
13952 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 10:34 pm to
Funny people believe Lonzo could fetch #6 no problem but I propose Jrue to NY for #3 in other threads and get told that’s unrealistic smh.....
This post was edited on 6/2/19 at 10:36 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36520 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 10:57 pm to
Players don’t live in a vacuum, their contracts matter. And, in this draft in particular 6 is worth a lot less than 3.
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 11:24 pm to
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How were his advanced numbers? arse?
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
13952 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 11:24 pm to
Everyone else on here has said Jrue has outplayed his current contract. If NY signs KD and another max fa, they will have to trade for the third star. Only ones I’ve heard that maybe available, Beal, Jrue, Conley, Derozen. Jrue is the best value contract of those 4.

And I disagree, the top 2 picks have the highest value this year. I’ve seen some reports with Culver or Garland going #3. And those same players going #6.
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