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re: Steven Adams extension
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:27 pm to Townedrunkard
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:27 pm to Townedrunkard
12 was best case scenario, not realistic
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:27 pm to RosyFinchBOYZ
I don’t think it’s a huge overpay. I like Adams a lot. Just had about $15M per as the top end for him
The market is all relative. There are more teams with more money to spend next year, especially with the cap increasing. It’s also a competitive big man FA class next year and some big names overall. Just not sure Adams was going to be a priority sign for anyone
I mean, I bet several sign for $15+. Rudy, Bam, Drummond, maybe Jarrett Allen for starters. They also wouldn’t be signing 2/35 extensions this year if they were in adams shoes. Not many teams need centers next year and the position is strong in the draft.
The market is all relative. There are more teams with more money to spend next year, especially with the cap increasing. It’s also a competitive big man FA class next year and some big names overall. Just not sure Adams was going to be a priority sign for anyone
I mean, I bet several sign for $15+. Rudy, Bam, Drummond, maybe Jarrett Allen for starters. They also wouldn’t be signing 2/35 extensions this year if they were in adams shoes. Not many teams need centers next year and the position is strong in the draft.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:00 am
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:29 pm to Townedrunkard
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Guess you have a short memory and forgot how Asik fell apart
He was never good. Adams is legit and has been. Not even close to the same scenario.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:41 pm to eyeran
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So, if Adams finishes out this contract, the guy you picked 8th overall is gonna spend his first four seasons on the bench.
It was a bad pick. They know it was a bad pick.
Dude was only 19 last season, and hasn't been playing basketball for that long. They didn't draft him with the expectation of his playing 30+ minutes in his 2nd season. They've given him a great mentor and a few years of low-pressure development.
Last season, Hayes looked like a guy with a lot of talent that didn't know what he was doing. We knew that when we drafted him. It will be a bad pick if he doesn't improve.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:48 pm to THRILLHO
Bring back Bigby-Williams! Can't have Adams beating up on Hayes in practice!
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:54 pm to New City Champ
quote:sure you can. In fact I prefer it
Can't have Adams beating up on Hayes in practice!
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:54 pm to THRILLHO
“Bench” is such a lose term.
Only six centers topped 30 mpg last season. Most of them are rotational guys. Adams himself “only” played 26mpg. There are 48 minutes in a game
You’ll know enough about Hayes when the time comes to decide to extend the qualifying offer or let him walk in ‘23-‘24
Only six centers topped 30 mpg last season. Most of them are rotational guys. Adams himself “only” played 26mpg. There are 48 minutes in a game
You’ll know enough about Hayes when the time comes to decide to extend the qualifying offer or let him walk in ‘23-‘24
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:58 pm to macatak911
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Not sure how I feel
Same. Quiet as kept, he did not have a good year last season. I'm not by any means saying he is fried, but Adams may very well be on the backside of his prime.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:01 am to GynoSandberg
If there's surplus C supply and demand next off-season then prices probably won't change much. So if Bam, Drummond, and Rudy hit free agency, I'd rather pay them more than Adams.
Overall it feels like an overpay but it's only a two year extension and not a five year Asik albatross.
Adams and Hayes will hit FA at the same time if Hayes doesn't accept the QO.
Overall it feels like an overpay but it's only a two year extension and not a five year Asik albatross.
Adams and Hayes will hit FA at the same time if Hayes doesn't accept the QO.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:03 am to Macintosh504
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Can't have Adams beating up on Hayes in practice! sure you can.
In fact I prefer it
This is a great scenario for the Pelicans. Hayes will have to work hard to get past Adams.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:04 am to GynoSandberg
Adams averaged 30, 33, and 33 mpg the 3 years prior to averaging 27 last year. His career average is 27 mpg.
The highest paid guy by average salary on your list averaged 20 mpg last year, has a career high of only 22 mpg, and a career average of 16 mpg.
That 7 minute difference in mpg last year is 15% more of the game he is playing EVERY night. That's a good chunk. The 11 minute difference in career average is 23% of a game, nearly a quarter.
So yeah to put those guys up in a vacuum and not list the actual top 10 centers' salaries is quite disingenuous.
He is far better than every player on that list that ACTUALLY plays center.
The highest paid guy by average salary on your list averaged 20 mpg last year, has a career high of only 22 mpg, and a career average of 16 mpg.
That 7 minute difference in mpg last year is 15% more of the game he is playing EVERY night. That's a good chunk. The 11 minute difference in career average is 23% of a game, nearly a quarter.
So yeah to put those guys up in a vacuum and not list the actual top 10 centers' salaries is quite disingenuous.
He is far better than every player on that list that ACTUALLY plays center.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:12 am
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:06 am to GynoSandberg
Even if it means sacrificing some defense and attitude/leadership relative to Zion/Adams, I think that a Zion/Hayes pick and roll game has too much potential to not try and develop. Zion has the passing ability, just needs to work on the handle a little bit. He seemed to have more control at Duke than he did with us. Also, Hayes looks like he has a decent enough stroke to become solid pick & pop guy.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:07 am to 504Voodoo
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Same. Quiet as kept, he did not have a good year last season. I'm not by any means saying he is fried, but Adams may very well be on the backside of his prime.
He had arguably his best season of his career last year. Just curious of your reasoning?
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:10 am to bonethug0180
If Adams can regain his health and fitness. He’s gonna be very fking good for us. Still young. I’m excited for him. And a high character guy
Glad we extended him
Glad we extended him
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:12 am
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:11 am to eyeran
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the guy you picked 8th overall is gonna spend his first four seasons on the bench
Jaxson was a pure upside pick. No one expected him to be starting year 2. In fact, there’s a good chance he never starts. You have to take someone who makes your team better. Adams makes the team better.
These are the number 8’s the past ten years. Very few teams go into picking number 8 and think that he will be a full time starter. So to even expect Jaxson to ever be a full time starter, especially based on what we’ve seen so far, is a little far fetched
2019 Jaxson Hayes, Texas – New Orleans Pelicans
2018 Collin Sexton, Alabama – Cleveland Cavaliers
2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:15 am
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:19 am to bonethug0180
Did you even read my post or are you just too thirsty to create an argument? You totally just created an argument out of thin air
I said I had $15M per year as top end for him and that he was worth at least $12M-$13M per year based off the value that those guys just got this year. You put those guys up in a vacuum. I was obviously implying he was better than and worth more than guys make 7,8,9 million per year
I said I had $15M per year as top end for him and that he was worth at least $12M-$13M per year based off the value that those guys just got this year. You put those guys up in a vacuum. I was obviously implying he was better than and worth more than guys make 7,8,9 million per year
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:20 am to 504Voodoo
Where do some of y'all get your reasoning from? You'd rather Andre Drummund for more money than Adams for 17.5? Gobert and Bam aren't coming here during free agency lol. What kind of dumb world are some people living in. Eric Bledsoe and Steven Adams are great and well needed additions to this team. Any of you who has followed the Pelicans know that we have needed a solid center and point guard for a long time. We now get those 2 to add with our developing stars and people still don't like it?
Sound like a bunch of whiny bitches in every thread about what ifs and what dream player you'd rather have. At least wait til we see the finished product to judge. Again people are traumatized enough to compare this to the Asik deal. Dumb shite like that should make you want to not post til the season starts and only come back to post "sorry for being a fricking idiot".
Sound like a bunch of whiny bitches in every thread about what ifs and what dream player you'd rather have. At least wait til we see the finished product to judge. Again people are traumatized enough to compare this to the Asik deal. Dumb shite like that should make you want to not post til the season starts and only come back to post "sorry for being a fricking idiot".
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:21 am to 504Voodoo
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Adams may very well be on the backside of his prime.
Going into his age 27 season? Some of you guys, I swear...
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:33 am to BigTimer23
Age 28 season.
His minutes per game make Giannis a look like a freshman
His minutes per game make Giannis a look like a freshman
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:35 am
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:38 am to bonethug0180
I give the whole transaction a B- at this point
Points off for
- acquisition overpay
- prioritising a replaceable position
- possible regression
Mainly the first two
Points off for
- acquisition overpay
- prioritising a replaceable position
- possible regression
Mainly the first two
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:48 am
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