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re: Steven Adams extension

Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:27 pm to
Posted by Pelefraan 1
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:27 pm to
12 was best case scenario, not realistic
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:27 pm to
I don’t think it’s a huge overpay. I like Adams a lot. Just had about $15M per as the top end for him

The market is all relative. There are more teams with more money to spend next year, especially with the cap increasing. It’s also a competitive big man FA class next year and some big names overall. Just not sure Adams was going to be a priority sign for anyone

I mean, I bet several sign for $15+. Rudy, Bam, Drummond, maybe Jarrett Allen for starters. They also wouldn’t be signing 2/35 extensions this year if they were in adams shoes. Not many teams need centers next year and the position is strong in the draft.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:00 am
Posted by bonethug0180
Avondale
Member since Jul 2018
4351 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:29 pm to
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Guess you have a short memory and forgot how Asik fell apart


He was never good. Adams is legit and has been. Not even close to the same scenario.
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
49517 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:41 pm to
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So, if Adams finishes out this contract, the guy you picked 8th overall is gonna spend his first four seasons on the bench.

It was a bad pick. They know it was a bad pick.


Dude was only 19 last season, and hasn't been playing basketball for that long. They didn't draft him with the expectation of his playing 30+ minutes in his 2nd season. They've given him a great mentor and a few years of low-pressure development.

Last season, Hayes looked like a guy with a lot of talent that didn't know what he was doing. We knew that when we drafted him. It will be a bad pick if he doesn't improve.

Posted by New City Champ
Member since Jul 2018
450 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:48 pm to
Bring back Bigby-Williams! Can't have Adams beating up on Hayes in practice!
Posted by Macintosh504
Leveraging Salaries University
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:54 pm to
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Can't have Adams beating up on Hayes in practice!
sure you can. In fact I prefer it
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72028 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:54 pm to
“Bench” is such a lose term.

Only six centers topped 30 mpg last season. Most of them are rotational guys. Adams himself “only” played 26mpg. There are 48 minutes in a game

You’ll know enough about Hayes when the time comes to decide to extend the qualifying offer or let him walk in ‘23-‘24
Posted by 504Voodoo
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2012
13533 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:58 pm to
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Not sure how I feel



Same. Quiet as kept, he did not have a good year last season. I'm not by any means saying he is fried, but Adams may very well be on the backside of his prime.
Posted by Parrish
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2014
2125 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:01 am to
If there's surplus C supply and demand next off-season then prices probably won't change much. So if Bam, Drummond, and Rudy hit free agency, I'd rather pay them more than Adams.

Overall it feels like an overpay but it's only a two year extension and not a five year Asik albatross.

Adams and Hayes will hit FA at the same time if Hayes doesn't accept the QO.

Posted by VA LSU fan
Virginia
Member since Dec 2007
7894 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:03 am to
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Can't have Adams beating up on Hayes in practice! sure you can.

In fact I prefer it


This is a great scenario for the Pelicans. Hayes will have to work hard to get past Adams.

Posted by bonethug0180
Avondale
Member since Jul 2018
4351 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:04 am to
Adams averaged 30, 33, and 33 mpg the 3 years prior to averaging 27 last year. His career average is 27 mpg.

The highest paid guy by average salary on your list averaged 20 mpg last year, has a career high of only 22 mpg, and a career average of 16 mpg.

That 7 minute difference in mpg last year is 15% more of the game he is playing EVERY night. That's a good chunk. The 11 minute difference in career average is 23% of a game, nearly a quarter.

So yeah to put those guys up in a vacuum and not list the actual top 10 centers' salaries is quite disingenuous.

He is far better than every player on that list that ACTUALLY plays center.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:12 am
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
49517 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:06 am to
Even if it means sacrificing some defense and attitude/leadership relative to Zion/Adams, I think that a Zion/Hayes pick and roll game has too much potential to not try and develop. Zion has the passing ability, just needs to work on the handle a little bit. He seemed to have more control at Duke than he did with us. Also, Hayes looks like he has a decent enough stroke to become solid pick & pop guy.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72028 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:07 am to
quote:

Same. Quiet as kept, he did not have a good year last season. I'm not by any means saying he is fried, but Adams may very well be on the backside of his prime.



He had arguably his best season of his career last year. Just curious of your reasoning?
Posted by Macintosh504
Leveraging Salaries University
Member since Sep 2011
52617 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:10 am to
If Adams can regain his health and fitness. He’s gonna be very fking good for us. Still young. I’m excited for him. And a high character guy


Glad we extended him
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:12 am
Posted by NolaTiger52
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2018
1862 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:11 am to
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the guy you picked 8th overall is gonna spend his first four seasons on the bench

Jaxson was a pure upside pick. No one expected him to be starting year 2. In fact, there’s a good chance he never starts. You have to take someone who makes your team better. Adams makes the team better.

These are the number 8’s the past ten years. Very few teams go into picking number 8 and think that he will be a full time starter. So to even expect Jaxson to ever be a full time starter, especially based on what we’ve seen so far, is a little far fetched

2019 Jaxson Hayes, Texas – New Orleans Pelicans
2018 Collin Sexton, Alabama – Cleveland Cavaliers
2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers

This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:15 am
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72028 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:19 am to
Did you even read my post or are you just too thirsty to create an argument? You totally just created an argument out of thin air

I said I had $15M per year as top end for him and that he was worth at least $12M-$13M per year based off the value that those guys just got this year. You put those guys up in a vacuum. I was obviously implying he was better than and worth more than guys make 7,8,9 million per year
Posted by Dantheman504
N/A
Member since Jun 2013
3593 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:20 am to
Where do some of y'all get your reasoning from? You'd rather Andre Drummund for more money than Adams for 17.5? Gobert and Bam aren't coming here during free agency lol. What kind of dumb world are some people living in. Eric Bledsoe and Steven Adams are great and well needed additions to this team. Any of you who has followed the Pelicans know that we have needed a solid center and point guard for a long time. We now get those 2 to add with our developing stars and people still don't like it?

Sound like a bunch of whiny bitches in every thread about what ifs and what dream player you'd rather have. At least wait til we see the finished product to judge. Again people are traumatized enough to compare this to the Asik deal. Dumb shite like that should make you want to not post til the season starts and only come back to post "sorry for being a fricking idiot".
Posted by BigTimer23
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2015
1978 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:21 am to
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Adams may very well be on the backside of his prime.


Going into his age 27 season? Some of you guys, I swear...
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:33 am to
Age 28 season.

His minutes per game make Giannis a look like a freshman
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:35 am
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:38 am to
I give the whole transaction a B- at this point

Points off for
- acquisition overpay
- prioritising a replaceable position
- possible regression

Mainly the first two
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:48 am
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