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re: Simmons: “Top 5 Dumbest Trades of this decade”
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:28 am to southdowns84
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:28 am to southdowns84
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It was just a horrible example in every way.
Again, it's not for the "bad move that worked out against the odds" scenario.
It's extreme intentionally, because it refused the "we have to wait to judge the trade" commentary entirely. That's why they won't answer it (or the simplified version ITT).
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It was almost an argument against the point you were trying to make.
It was never intended to be a like:like scenario to the trade.
Its a rhetorical tool used to address the above.
Just like my extreme example of the hypo where Queen dies today.
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's extreme intentionally, because it refused the "we have to wait to judge the trade" commentary entirely.
I have no problem with this. My issue is you've completely missed on the trade off they made.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Mate youre doing a fantastic job coaching us up in this thread 
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:53 am to whatiknowsofar
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You dont get to just judge the initial trade itself.
Actually you can. If you vastly overpay for something you vastly overpaid, period. Does anyone really think giving Atlanta two legitimate chances to get a top 10 (and very possibly top 5) pick wasn't a ridiculous overpay to move up from 23 to 13 in the first round. Even if Queen is way better than any of us think he can be, it doesn't mean we didn't give up way more for him than was needed. Hopefully, the Pels and Milwaukee are both good this year, but it won't change the fact that we got fleeced by Atlanta last night.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 12:00 pm to LSUgrad88
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Even if Queen is way better than any of us think he can be, it doesn't mean we didn't give up way more for him than was needed.
While thats true, if queen is lets say, an all star reserve level of good, we won't really care until that pick is made and we see the career of said pick play out.
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 6/26/25 at 12:59 pm to whatiknowsofar
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While thats true, if queen is lets say, an all star reserve level of good, we won't really care until that pick is made and we see the career of said pick play out.
Hopefully that's the case. But let me ask you. If you buy a house for $500.000 that you could have gotten for $400,000, even if you end up loving the house and its perfect for what you want, wasn't it silly to pay way more than you needed to for the house. Even if it eventually gets valued for $650,000 in a few years. It was simply a ridiculous overpay by the Pels,to give what they did to move up from 23 to 13. How the trade ends up doesn't change that fact.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 1:41 pm to LSUgrad88
They payed the 13-to-3 price for 23-to-13.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 1:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The potential scenarios where this doesn't work out in our favor highly out-number the potential scenarios where this works out in our favor.
You don't know that. What you can say is that the consensus on Queen among GMs in the NBA is that he's not worth what was paid.
On paper, the Pelicans gave way too much. That really can't be argued.
From that perspective, this probably IS a historically bad trade.
On the other hand, if the Pelicans valued Queen higher than the rest of the league and end up being right, then premium they paid would have been a very good decision. So, from that perspective, you HAVE to use hindsight to evaluate the trade.
These teams aren't blindly picking players. There's a ton of subjective analysis in play.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 1:54 pm to LSUgrad88
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Actually you can. If you vastly overpay for something you vastly overpaid, period. Does anyone really think giving Atlanta two legitimate chances to get a top 10 (and very possibly top 5) pick wasn't a ridiculous overpay to move up from 23 to 13 in the first round. Even if Queen is way better than any of us think he can be, it doesn't mean we didn't give up way more for him than was needed. Hopefully, the Pels and Milwaukee are both good this year, but it won't change the fact that we got fleeced by Atlanta last night.
While I do agree with you, as a point of fact, a lot of the same national people criticizing this trade thought the Lakers overpaid for Anthony Davis when negotiating with leverage and without any other plausible suitors, then called it a win after the fact after the bubble ship. I agree with the take but wish the national media would show some consistency.
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 6/26/25 at 2:35 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
Posted on 6/26/25 at 2:47 pm to duyp
I think people are overblowing this whole thing. So if the picks turns out to be 15. Would be still be mad?
If it does than it wouldn’t have mattered if it were top 10 protected or not.
If it does than it wouldn’t have mattered if it were top 10 protected or not.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 3:34 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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They payed the 13-to-3 price for 23-to-13.
That's wild. i made the same exact comment to my son when we were talking about it last night.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 3:37 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
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I agree with the take but wish the national media would show some consistency.
Hoping for that may be more wishful thinking than hoping for a relatively injury free season for the Pels.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 3:41 pm to Fun Bunch
Bill Simmons is the biggest dumbass in sports. fricking Boston hack wouldn’t know ball if it hit him in the face.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 3:43 pm to JerryTheKingBawler
Plenty of other actual respectable nba journalists who also say the same thing.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 3:48 pm to Fun Bunch
It honestly doesn’t matter what Dumars does. He will inevitably be called a dumbass and incompetent at some point…
Posted on 6/26/25 at 3:48 pm to JerryTheKingBawler
Mate I love most of your posts but methinks this is your pro NYY / anti BOS bias coming out.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 3:49 pm to whatiknowsofar
Hawks would have done this trade for a 2027 unprotected first and this years 23. It was the fricking 13th pick it’s not like we were moving in the top 7
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:44 pm to VOR
Well when you come in with a rep of a guy that made a ton of dumb fricking moves during his latter stint with the pistons and you immediately come out of the gate doing something that seems incredibly stupid, people are going to call a spade a spade. If he had a better track record, maybe he’d get more leeway and we could believe there’s more than meets the eye here….but right now he’s a bad GM doing bad GM things until he proves otherwise
Posted on 6/26/25 at 4:50 pm to duyp
So on the one hand, we have Shams, taking one point of view.
On the other hand, we have Slow Mo Pro with the other point of view.
Your Honor, I rest my case.
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 4:51 pm
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