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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:09 am to Jester
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:09 am to Jester
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Yeah, I wouldn't do BI or Zion straight up for #2, so I don't see how you can make a trade work.
Insert current Brandon Ingram in this years draft. Every team in the league picks him at #2.
Trading him straight up would be a travesty. I don't think we do, but it would break my heart and I'd riot if we did.
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Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:15 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Insert current Brandon Ingram in this years draft. Every team in the league picks him at #2
Are we throwing out contracts?
Henderson is going to make under 60M over the next 5 season. Ingram is going to be over 200M.
Is Ingram 3X better?
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:29 am to brmark70816
quote:
Are we throwing out contracts?
Henderson is going to make under 60M over the next 5 season. Ingram is going to be over 200M.
Is Ingram 3X better?
He doesn't have to be 3x better just because of contracts. Scoot could end up being a bust or not help this team much at. If that happens, 60M is an overpay. I'd rather the guy that is all-star caliber player over the unknown.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:30 am to Soggymoss
Get rid of trash CJ
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:31 am to iwyLSUiwy
I dont see how this is even a debate currently.
If they want BI for Scoot you do it. You get to keep the rest of the team for the next 5 years with Zion.
If you do nothing, this current iteration goes boom in 2 years no matter what with no Scoot.
This is actually a VERY EASY decision to make.
If they want BI for Scoot you do it. You get to keep the rest of the team for the next 5 years with Zion.
If you do nothing, this current iteration goes boom in 2 years no matter what with no Scoot.
This is actually a VERY EASY decision to make.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:36 am to 50_Tiger
quote:CJ will be moved, we can keep Zion, BI, Herb and Trey if CJ is moved any time between now and the next 2 seasons.
If you do nothing, this current iteration goes boom in 2 years no matter what with no Scoot.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:38 am to iwyLSUiwy
Yes, everyone would want that. No one will trade you a great generational player for just an all star. (Not saying Scoot is generational- I too don’t know). But thats the whole point of the trade. Its your opportunity to get a player better than you have. If your scouting dept and the rest of your organization say that Scoot will be better than BI- you trust them and maybe take that chance. Not saying their right but these people get paid money to scout these players for a living. This whole theory of I don’t want to trade something for the unknown is silly because that unknown could be much much better than what you have especially if you have an advancing scouting dept you trust.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:40 am to shel311
I agree he can be moved but question is do they want to? Again I think they overpaid CJ to be a representation of thrir culture fit. Griff is really high on culture and I would be surprised if they would just easily move him. I agree though he would be the guy to go.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:42 am to Pels_Yaz
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Again I think they overpaid CJ to be a representation of thrir culture fit. Griff is really high on culture and I would be surprised if they would just easily move him. I agree though he would be the guy to go.
If the other option is BI, who also seems to fit in well while being younger and better than CJ...yea, I think they trade CJ.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:45 am to shel311
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CJ will be moved, we can keep Zion, BI, Herb and Trey if CJ is moved any time between now and the next 2 seasons.
This team financially goes BOOM in 2 seasons with or without CJ.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:47 am to 50_Tiger
You would think. But fans here get so attached to a team that literally lost in first round last year and then lost to okc in the play-in this year. Somehow people think we’ll win the title in 2 years so we shouldn’t make this trade. Good luck with that.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:47 am to DallasTiger45
The fact that this is such a tough decision just shows how much bad luck the Pels have to have two top 20 players that can't stay healthy.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:51 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Our top 4 players right now make roughly $117mil next season.
This team financially goes BOOM in 2 seasons with or without CJ.
BI/Zion/Trey/Herb will be around that same range, or slightly higher for the 25-26 season, but with a much higher cap and luxury tax line.
This post was edited on 6/15/23 at 9:53 am
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:53 am to DallasTiger45
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If the other option is BI, who also seems to fit in well while being younger and better than CJ...yea, I think they trade CJ.
This is what i don't understand when people advocate trading BI or Zion for scoot because of a cap crunch. I'm not trading BI or Zion because i stupidly overpaid CJ. I'd rather use a 1st and dump CJ.
Now if you wanna trade BI or zion for scoot because you're sick of zion's shite, or believe scoot is an absolute can't miss prospect that's another story. But don't tell me it's due to a cap crunch while also paying an aging small guard 100m/3yrs. That's just sunk cost fallacy and idiotic
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:53 am to shel311
So if the analytics guys like Zion better than Ingram, I wonder what they think about Scoot?
He doesn't seem to be the model for a winning player in a league that emphasizes the 3 for guards.
One thing I do like about him and Zion would be how lethal our fast breaks would be.
You get Scoot, you have to move off Jonas imo.
He doesn't seem to be the model for a winning player in a league that emphasizes the 3 for guards.
One thing I do like about him and Zion would be how lethal our fast breaks would be.
You get Scoot, you have to move off Jonas imo.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:56 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
This team financially goes BOOM in 2 seasons with or without CJ.
Do you anticipate either Trey or Herb coming anywhere close to a max deal next summer? Otherwise how do you figure we go boom? CJ makes like $35M a year
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:57 am to Balsamic_duck
I agree but I think for pelicans thinking its a combination of everything . I think they know Scoot is a can’t miss guy, Zion injury and immaturity are issues, plus it saves them money in the long run. But the over riding aspect which it should be is that they really believe in Scoot.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:01 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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Do you anticipate either Trey or Herb coming anywhere close to a max deal next summer? Otherwise how do you figure we go boom? CJ makes like $35M a yea
Trey will get 25M a year easily.
Herb ~15-18M
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:01 am to ghost2most
Most analytic guys love Scoot for the same reason they love Zion. He plays great in the paint. Hes also a great decision maker and facilitator. Analytic guys honestly hate players who rely on inefficient shots- hate to say this but midrange games like BI. If you dominate the paint and/or great at shooting 3s- analytics loves you. Scoot is highly efficient at what he does.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:01 am to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:25-26
Do you anticipate either Trey or Herb coming anywhere close to a max deal next summer? Otherwise how do you figure we go boom? CJ makes like $35M a year
Zion: $38m
BI: $40m ish
Trey: $25mil ish
Herb: $15mil ish
This next season, we're at $119.5mil for our top 4 players. The above is $118mil, maybe I'm off by a few mil and it vaults to $125mil, but that's less than the jump that the cap and tax will do from now to 25-26.
Someone explain why this team financially goes BOOM in 2 sesons with or without CJ?
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