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re: Rumor are swirling that Par Riley is going to clean house! Bam even mentioned it .
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:12 pm to AOC4PREZ2028
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:12 pm to AOC4PREZ2028
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Depends on what other players we get to make that work or effective.
Straight up means straight up. Nobody needs any sweeteners. The salaries work.
Yeah that's not what I was saying. I don't want to replace Zion with Bam on this current roster. Barely does anything for us.
We already need more than 1 piece so swapping Bam for Zion doesn't really do shite, especially if Zion is actually healthy.
We are most likely better off trading Zion separately for assets and THEN using CJ/ Herb/ Olynyk/ 1sts to get Bam type players. I wouldn't trade Zion for those guys unless you already had another deal lined up for CJ that adds another star to pair with them.
Otherwise you are just stuck in the same spot.
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:15 pm to Dantheman504
We can make a trade with players like CJ/ Herb/ Olynyk/ Jose/ Hawk and target Bam/ Booker type players without including Zion.
If that doesn't work out THEN you trade Zion for younger assets/ picks.
Or you do both at the same time.
If that doesn't work out THEN you trade Zion for younger assets/ picks.
Or you do both at the same time.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:19 pm to Dantheman504
We should be able to technically acquire any player in the NBA besides Jokic/ SGA with our assets of CJ/ Herb/ Zion/ (4) 1sts.
Not saying we do it or that we should, just saying that we have the option.
Not saying we do it or that we should, just saying that we have the option.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:31 pm to Dantheman504
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I don't want to replace Zion with Bam on this current roster. Barely does anything for us.
If we replace Zion with Bam, we get a guy who has played in 78, 71, and 75 games over the past three years (Zion played in 30, 70 & 29). Of course, when healthy Zion is vastly superior. But I'm done hoping Zion is healthy.
A healthy Bam is a massive upgrade over an injured Zion. Bam has been reliably healthy. Zion has been reliably injured. Zion has been holding us back. Its not that complicated.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:36 pm to Dantheman504
quote:In real life actual NBA, we do not have that option.
We should be able to technically acquire any player in the NBA besides Jokic/ SGA with our assets of CJ/ Herb/ Zion/ (4) 1sts.
Not saying we do it or that we should, just saying that we have the option.
There is exactly a 0.0% chance a guy like, say, GIannis would want to come here, and also after all he's done for the Bucks, a 0.0% chance the Bucks would trade him here...regardless of what we offer, we would never even get to an offer.
That's just 1 of quite a few examples of dudes we have no realistic chance at getting.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:41 pm to shel311
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In real life actual NBA, we do not have that option.
There is exactly a 0.0% chance a guy like, say, GIannis would want to come here, and also after all he's done for the Bucks, a 0.0% chance the Bucks would trade him here...regardless of what we offer, we would never even get to an offer.
That's just 1 of quite a few examples of dudes we have no realistic chance at getting.
Well thank you for using an example of the ONE other player that would be difficult to trade for. Trading Zion for Giannis is just dumb anyway.
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also after all he's done for the Bucks, a 0.0% chance the Bucks would trade him here...regardless of what we offer,
I also think this is bullshite. If Giannis requests out then MIL are going to get as much as they can for him. They aren't going to pull a Mavs, especially considering the actual fan impact after the fact.
Jokic/ SGA/ ANT and maybe Tatum are the only (4) players a package of Zion + Herb + 3-4 1st might not work.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:43 pm to shel311
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In real life actual NBA, we do not have that option.
Your only actual argument towards this is that players under contract and have no choice will say "no". Which doesn't matter because they are under contract and have no choice...
Its a professional business, not AAU. You think teams are going to pass on a package far above all others because a player with no choice says they don't wanna?
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:44 pm to shel311
You ask for a guy like Bam, you get a Andrew Wiggins. 
Happens every year.
Happens every year.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:45 pm to AOC4PREZ2028
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ut do you really want to build around Zion?
I believe that if you trade Zion then we need to look to do a complete rebuild, unless we get #1 overall. There is no reason to have Trey Murphy or Herb Jones on this roster without Zion or Flagg. Trey will be 25 to start next year and Herb will be 27. They will be in their prime and without Zion we aren't competing for anything of significance. Without Flagg, we won't be good enough to contend in their prime. Their value is high and we should look to trade them at that point to facilitate a full rebuild.
However, I am not to that point yet. Zion looked really, really good after coming back from the hamstring this year. Zion and Trey looked really, really good together. I know what Herb can add to those two. I would look to build around those three for one more year to see where it goes. None of those guys should lose signifcant value with one more year.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:47 pm to ThePistol
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I believe that if you trade Zion then we need to look to do a complete rebuild, unless we get #1 overall.
I agree, if we trade Zion then CJ/ Herb should go for assets and we build on Trey.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:02 pm to Dantheman504
I say we keep Zion, keep Trey, and keep the pick.
I have a feeling Giannis will ask for a trade, Milwaukee is not going anywhere this season.
Jump into whatever trade they make to send Milwaukee their picks back, send out CJ and Herb in the trade, and get Ja out of Memphis.
Bucks- Out: Giannis
In: Their swaps+assets from other team(s)
Grizz- Out: Ja
In: Assets from team taking Giannis
Team taking Giannis: Out: Everything
In: Giannis
Pels: Out: CJ, Herb, 2 Milwaukee swaps
In: Morant
Just off the top of my head 3 teams that have the assets to make it happen and make everyone happy : OKC, SAS, Boston
I have a feeling Giannis will ask for a trade, Milwaukee is not going anywhere this season.
Jump into whatever trade they make to send Milwaukee their picks back, send out CJ and Herb in the trade, and get Ja out of Memphis.
Bucks- Out: Giannis
In: Their swaps+assets from other team(s)
Grizz- Out: Ja
In: Assets from team taking Giannis
Team taking Giannis: Out: Everything
In: Giannis
Pels: Out: CJ, Herb, 2 Milwaukee swaps
In: Morant
Just off the top of my head 3 teams that have the assets to make it happen and make everyone happy : OKC, SAS, Boston
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:07 pm to AOC4PREZ2028
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A healthy Bam is a massive upgrade over an injured Zion.
In theory, yes. However, we just saw what a roster with a healthy Bam and a lower level all-star did this year. They went 37-45, in the East, and just got swept out of the playoffs in record breaking fashion. I'm not in a rush to sign up for that. I will take my chances with Zion for one more year and see if the new leadership can change some things. Now, if it is adding Bam to Zion, sign me up!
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:08 pm to Soggymoss
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Pels: Out: CJ, Herb, 2 Milwaukee swaps
In: Morant
I can see the 2026 swap but not both and if it has to be both they have to take DJM's contract.
Next years Swap has a high probability of being Top 4
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:35 pm to ThePistol
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In theory, yes. However, we just saw what a roster with a healthy Bam and a lower level all-star did this year. They went 37-45, in the East, and just got swept out of the playoffs in record breaking fashion. I'm not in a rush to sign up for that. I will take my chances with Zion for one more year and see if the new leadership can change some things. Now, if it is adding Bam to Zion, sign me up!
I would argue that Bam's surrounding cast in New Orleans would be better than what he had in the playoffs this year.
I don't care if a Pelicans team with Bam (and no Zion) is only a 40-45 win team. That's good enough for me! Sign me up for 45 wins and no Zion drama.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:39 pm to 50_Tiger
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I can see the 2026 swap but not both and if it has to be both they have to take DJM's contract.
Next years Swap has a high probability of being Top 4
If you're doing a deal with Milwaukee for their picks back it's because they want to do a reset while riding out Dame's contract which means they need both picks/swaps back. I'm not saying you're wrong about needing to increase the value, just pointing out what they would likely be looking for.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:33 pm to TigerinATL
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If you're doing a deal with Milwaukee for their picks back it's because they want to do a reset while riding out Dame's contract which means they need both picks/swaps back. I'm not saying you're wrong about needing to increase the value, just pointing out what they would likely be looking for.
Perfect then they can ride out DJM's contract along with Dame's
Posted on 4/29/25 at 4:04 pm to Soggymoss
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I say we keep Zion, keep Trey, and keep the pick.
I think Trey and our top 5 pick should really be the only (2) untouchables as of now. Primary goal should be to keep Zion and pair him with a Ja/ Maxey/ Cade/ Booker player.
If those guys aren't available then the next best plan would be Sabonis/ Bam.
We can definitely get some of those players with CJ/ Herb + picks.
If we blow it up then I'd kinda want to say "frick it" and package Zion + CJ + Herb + Jose + Olynyk + (1-3) 1sts for Sabonis + Booker.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 4:19 pm to Dantheman504
Cade won’t be available. The other three may.
I would be hesitant about Ja though because of how much he makes combined with what his play style is doing to his body. Him being retarded is a separate matter.
I would be hesitant about Ja though because of how much he makes combined with what his play style is doing to his body. Him being retarded is a separate matter.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 4:28 pm to teke184
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Cade won’t be available.
I will still hold strong that the only players truly "unnatainable" are Jokic, SGA, Luka, Wemby, ANT, Tatum.
Teams will at a minimum pick up the phone for a package of CJ + Herb + picks for anyone else.
And I'm pretty confident a package of Zion + Herb + picks gets us any player that isn't named above. I'm not saying we should or that it is a smart move. If we called DET and offered Zion + Herb + 4 1sts for Cade, they aren't hanging up the phone.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 4:40 pm to 50_Tiger
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I can see the 2026 swap but not both and if it has to be both they have to take DJM's contract. Next years Swap has a high probability of being Top 4
We would have to send out both swaps, otherwise Milwaukee would try to make a win now type of trade. We’re also only trading swaps, no actual picks would be included. Swaps are less valuable than the actual picks
I would also prefer to keep DJM, with Ja we have the luxury of giving DJM plenty of time to heal, and once DJM is ready to go we have two high level point guards on the team, something we desperately need. This thinking would/could obviously change depending on our draft pick.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 4:42 pm
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