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re: Return of Boogie
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:43 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:43 am to Chad504boy
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please define who "the team" is in this speculation.
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Waiting for Feb. 8th @RickJam07344104 15 hours ago
Might be too early, but let me be the first to throw this out there --- DeMarcus Cousins returns this summer.
Everybody loved him and he only has a beef with Dell. Also, ownership wants to sell tickets. Cousins vibes with the city....
Don't rule it out.
Jrue-Smart-Tatum-Cousins core? With some young guys on the roster and future picks? It aint crazy
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:46 am to Crewz
That's a sound analogy. Just wish they had basketball minds controlling the moves part of it. How you describe it will never developing a winning culture much less a championship one. I can see why AD feels they don't pay enough attention/respect to the franchise.
Look, they can use some assets to cover both franchises such as season ticket reps, administrative staff, etc...but decision makers need to be separated and this just makes it all the more clear to me. Like I said, I get the thinking and the need to make money but they need to realize, as Tiger has stated, revenue sharing means that season ticket sales isn't the only piece of the puzzle and far from the most important to me.
Look, they can use some assets to cover both franchises such as season ticket reps, administrative staff, etc...but decision makers need to be separated and this just makes it all the more clear to me. Like I said, I get the thinking and the need to make money but they need to realize, as Tiger has stated, revenue sharing means that season ticket sales isn't the only piece of the puzzle and far from the most important to me.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:47 am to BallHawk
To be honest, would bringing cousins in be really the worst idea?
Assuming you trade Randle and Moore this year. Pretty much tank.
Assuming Cousins comes back to relative form and plays 30mpg? You keep Niko and Jah.
Trade for Tatum, Hayward, and parts for AD.
Roll into 2019:
Jrue/frank
Hayward/whoever
Tatum/miller
Niko/whoever
Cousins/Okafor
Assuming you trade Randle and Moore this year. Pretty much tank.
Assuming Cousins comes back to relative form and plays 30mpg? You keep Niko and Jah.
Trade for Tatum, Hayward, and parts for AD.
Roll into 2019:
Jrue/frank
Hayward/whoever
Tatum/miller
Niko/whoever
Cousins/Okafor
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:48 am to BallHawk
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How you describe it will never developing a winning culture much less a championship one.
He's literally been saying this very thing here for years
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:50 am to TigerinATL
No, I know that. They really need someone in the room to challenge the status quo. I'm regurgitating thought I'm aware. It's just becoming plainer and plainer by the minute. (I realized it long ago but since I've realized it the evidence becomes all the more striking).
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:50 am to BallHawk
I have told you guys for years that they will never build a sustainable, winning team. When I got wind of how they run things, it was clear as day to me.
When I told someone very high up that they should hire Atkinson and they told me why that wouldn't happen, I was flabbergasted.
This is a business organization. Winning is preferred, but not demanded. Making money is demanded.
Now, they might get lucky and might win from time to time. But building something sustainable? Will never happen
When I told someone very high up that they should hire Atkinson and they told me why that wouldn't happen, I was flabbergasted.
This is a business organization. Winning is preferred, but not demanded. Making money is demanded.
Now, they might get lucky and might win from time to time. But building something sustainable? Will never happen
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 9:51 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:51 am to htran90
I actually said yesterday I'm on board with bringing back Boogie depending on the AAV. Also, would require keeping Niko and Jah for sure because of spacing and how they can all play off each other.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:53 am to htran90
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To be honest, would bringing cousins in be really the worst idea?
I kind of agree. Cousins seems as likely to drag you down as lift you up, but the lift you up potential is there. If he does come back I also would love to know which of the coaches taught him the value of making "boring basketball plays". I want that coach on the staff, and if it was Finch make him head coach.
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Trade for Tatum, Hayward, and parts for AD.
I don't think you could have Hayward and the cap space to bring in Cousins, you'd need it to get Smart back instead of Hayward, plus Smart brings leadership that might help.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:54 am to Crewz
I'm hoping the move of AD and articles like Kushner posted will bring revelation to the FO because fan backlash needs to impact their bottom line. Basically, they need to "lose" money to enact change. Essentially, react to the tide instead of being of proactive like they should have done 6 years ago when Benson purchased the team.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:02 am to TigerinATL
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Everybody loved him
So not dell. Not AD cause he's gone. Not anyone above Dell. Maybe a new coaching staff.... so who's everyone? Jrue? I thought Jrue had a rough time adjusting to Boogie?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:04 am to Crewz
This makes no sense. Not all teams have PBO and GMs. Some teams have 1 person having both titles. Some dont have a GM. There isnt 1 set way to do it. Demps has the power to make moves. Loomis handles budgets, ticket prices and things like that.
If you think Demps is terrible, that is fine, but the structure in itself wont inhibit the team from winning.
If you think Demps is terrible, that is fine, but the structure in itself wont inhibit the team from winning.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:05 am to TigerinATL
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I don't think you could have Hayward and the cap space to bring in Cousins, you'd need it to get Smart back instead of Hayward, plus Smart brings leadership that might help.
Either one, but financially would it be viable if cousins signs before you trade?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:07 am to dj30
So, your argument is: It COULD work. It's not the worst.
My argument would be not to settle for NOT BAD. That is never a good argument.
You set up the structure that gives you the best chance and nobody in their right mind would say this is that structure. The best you can say is that it isn't the worst structure.
Which is an argument that human beings make far too often. And it is literally always a bad argument
My argument would be not to settle for NOT BAD. That is never a good argument.
You set up the structure that gives you the best chance and nobody in their right mind would say this is that structure. The best you can say is that it isn't the worst structure.
Which is an argument that human beings make far too often. And it is literally always a bad argument
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:10 am to Crewz
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The one thing they won't do is a total teardown and have a 12 win season
that's interesting. i get it, obviously, from $$ perspective. same time, people who follow the team still talk about Dickau and Jarrett Jack tank years in loving terms.
they don't have to tank to engender those feelings, but they do need to find guys that fans in NO will want to root for. guys that will leave it all on the court and fans can trust care. simply drafting players again will certainly help this.
more quick fixes without any plan will ultimately send this team to Seattle
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:11 am to corndeaux
You are making an argument to somebody who already knows all these things. I don't need to be convinced.
What you guys need to figure out is how to bring your sound logic to ownership
What you guys need to figure out is how to bring your sound logic to ownership
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:12 am to Crewz
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My guess is that Dell will stay because they owe him money and they don't really care about the franchise enough to make the changes needed.
The person that I occasionally speak with that knows ownership swears that Dell will not make it through the break. The franchise wants a star to market in the wake of AD and he thinks if they get Zion that will obviously be it, same with Tatum though Zion is the preference, but they could sign or take on a stopgap “star” to sell with Jrue while younger players and picks develop into more marketable players depending on the AD trade specifics. It is all fluid, but he did mention trying to bring back Rondo with the young players.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:13 am to Crewz
oh i know. i've been beating the same drum.
i wish they would look beyond the immediate. it's remarkable that business people don't understand the idea of long term investment with a premium asset like an NBA franchise. but if the incentives are fricked up, then logic doesnt matter
i wish they would look beyond the immediate. it's remarkable that business people don't understand the idea of long term investment with a premium asset like an NBA franchise. but if the incentives are fricked up, then logic doesnt matter
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:18 am to Crewz
Im saying, just because you have a PBO doesnt make your organization better. Some people are just better at their jobs than others. If Demps had both titles like Ainge would that make our organization better?
Its basically the same situation except Demps has a numbers guy over him working the budget to help out.
Its basically the same situation except Demps has a numbers guy over him working the budget to help out.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:21 am to NOFOX
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The person that I occasionally speak with that knows ownership swears that Dell will not make it through the break. The franchise wants a star to market in the wake of AD and he thinks if they get Zion that will obviously be it, same with Tatum though Zion is the preference, but they could sign or take on a stopgap “star” to sell with Jrue while younger players and picks develop into more marketable players depending on the AD trade specifics. It is all fluid, but he did mention trying to bring back Rondo with the young players.
Everything you just posted is what Im hoping for. In this case, would Ferry make the moves?
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 10:22 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:22 am to Unknown_Poster
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Cousins is still a draw?
he was getting 25 and 10+ day in, day out with pels.
Healthy he's a star.
I think if he's all that then gsw will keep him.
Gsw is about to lose kd and Klay and probably green.
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