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re: Reported friction between the players and SVG
Posted on 5/21/21 at 2:01 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 5/21/21 at 2:01 pm to TigerinATL
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Jake and Shamit both basically said "this isn't nothing but it's also more about the losing and the coach/player friction is making a mountain out of a mole hill."
Yep, heard that too. And that has been my hunch as well.
Predictable frustrations stemming from a losing season getting signal boosted by a sports media that is literally designed around using sensationalism and drama to drive ratings/clicks.
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Posted on 5/21/21 at 2:12 pm to Bronc
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I dont even particularly love Stan, but if I step back and look at the season, it was always going to be a challenge. New systems, shortened training camp, top 3 hardest schedule, practices are few and far between, poor roster construction, then a rash of injuries late in the season.
I agree.
I don’t think Stan is a terrible coach. I don’t want him as our coach, but he’s good enough to make us a better.
What aggravates me about hiring him is the no matter who we hired, that person was unlikely to be the coach that would lead us to a championship, assuming that’s in the future. Had we hired a younger guy, maybe you strike gold and he is that guy, unlikely, but there’s a chance, but hiring an old retread that has a history of not getting along with star players was a stupid decision.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 2:13 pm to Chad504boy
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it makes you feel better knowing that chances are better than stan van gundy is coming back to coach this team more?
If Stan's contract situation was different, I don't think you bring him back. He had some very disturbing negatives. The rotations were honestly to be expected, that's where fixing the roster comes in. But he didn't adjust well to the complications of COVID the way he focused on the defense to the detriment of everything else the first month or 2. Then he fumbled away about as many games as the players, not something you expect from a veteran coach.
Regardless of how you feel about Stan though, I don't think Zion hating him would be a positive unless Zion were actually going to give the team an ultimatum. I just don't think Zion would at this point. So Zion having a personal beef with Stan would just make Zion unhappy even if they did manage to turn things around next season, which I think is likely with a good offseason.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 4:29 pm to TigerinATL
First, I don't care about Stan's contract, fire his arse, Gale has the money.
Next, a lot of people are stacking this on the players, but WTF are you suppose to do when 40% of the players on the floor and Bledsoe and Adams. Who the frick can work with that?
Next, a lot of people are stacking this on the players, but WTF are you suppose to do when 40% of the players on the floor and Bledsoe and Adams. Who the frick can work with that?
Posted on 5/21/21 at 4:30 pm to Fun Bunch
It was a stupid arse hire from the beginning and I’ve been downvoted to hell for saying it.
The experiment should be over now
The experiment should be over now
Posted on 5/21/21 at 6:16 pm to Fun Bunch
Not shocking that coddled baby back bitch young players have problem with their coach. It is this kind of diseased thinking from young players that has turned the NBA into a barely watchable product...
Is SVG the best coach in the NBA? Obviously not. Is he the worst? Obviously not. Would the team be better if Brandon Ingram was drawing up the plays? Obviously not. There needs to be a grownup pointing the young retards in the right direction. That's SVG.
Is SVG the best coach in the NBA? Obviously not. Is he the worst? Obviously not. Would the team be better if Brandon Ingram was drawing up the plays? Obviously not. There needs to be a grownup pointing the young retards in the right direction. That's SVG.
This post was edited on 5/21/21 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 5/21/21 at 8:37 pm to Soggymoss
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Stan wouldn't have been a bad hire, if they didn't cheap out on the assistant coaches. You had LAC and Nets building a super roster of assistants, while Pels ended up with pretty much scrap as lead assistant.
I said it at the time. I hated the assistant coach hires. They needed at least 1 superstar assistant.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 8:48 pm to TigerinATL
Sabonis and brogdon are exactly what this team needs.
I'd take van vleet and siakem.
I'd take van vleet and siakem.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:13 pm to Chalkywhite84
I don't have much of an opinion on Van Gundy one way or the other (except to acknowledge that it would be very unusual for any professional team to fire a coach after one year).
I will say that I don't really care that much about comments that may or may not have been said by any player who is not named Zion Williamson.
I will say that I don't really care that much about comments that may or may not have been said by any player who is not named Zion Williamson.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:30 pm to Chalkywhite84
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I said it at the time. I hated the assistant coach hires. They needed at least 1 superstar assistant.
I mean the whole situation was fricked from the get.
Which is why some of the SVG shade, to me, is a bit much. Griff was one of the last to hire his coach in an already shortened season. Which meant even shorter time to hire assistants.
That said, it seems like many of them weren’t sexy names but are really well regarded. Zion/Ingram/Lonzo all seem to genuinely love T-Spoon. There was no one I heard those guys talk about with big smiles more than her.
And it was either Casey or Rex that was being heavily credited with designing a lot of the nuts and bolts of point Zion and the Redick/Zion pick n roll that was utterly lethal.
Posted on 5/22/21 at 9:20 am to Bronc
Gentry vs Gundy..... I'd rather Gentry. At least the players were happy and the team was in a good place before the zombie apocalypse.
Posted on 5/22/21 at 9:26 am to M3From225
Were they though?
Seems like last season we were reading the same sort of tea leaves from players desiring more structure and accountability. Praising SVG for the sort of things Gentry was known to be lax with.
Seems like last season we were reading the same sort of tea leaves from players desiring more structure and accountability. Praising SVG for the sort of things Gentry was known to be lax with.
Posted on 5/22/21 at 9:42 am to Bronc
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Praising SVG for the sort of things Gentry was known to be lax with.
I've always viewed SVG as a shock to the system. When they bring in the next coach who asks more than Gentry but not as much as SVG, the players will think it's great. Going from the cool uncle that lets you do anything to any kind of authority figure was always going to get some level of push back.
This post was edited on 5/22/21 at 9:43 am
Posted on 5/22/21 at 11:37 am to Chalkywhite84
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'd take van vleet and siakem.
I stay away from Siakam. If he can’t get along with Nick Nurse, idk what coach he can get along with.
This post was edited on 5/22/21 at 11:37 am
Posted on 5/23/21 at 9:08 pm to Mad Scientist26
quote:I agree. They’ll go through 2-3 more coaches, still suck, and still blame the coach.
So, it’s SVG fault that they can’t shoot or give effort on defense? Or the mental lapses at the end of games?!?! I’m not saying SVG is perfect or even good. I’m saying that the players are at fault just as much as he is. They need to take ownership and fix their stuff too.
This post was edited on 5/23/21 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 5/23/21 at 9:14 pm to TrouserTrout
You need a coach off the floor and on the floor. Sucks we don’t have one on the floor.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 9:40 pm to TrouserTrout
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So, it’s SVG fault that they can’t shoot or give effort on defense? Or the mental lapses at the end of games?!?! I’m not saying SVG is perfect or even good. I’m saying that the players are at fault just as much as he is. They need to take ownership and fix their stuff too
All of those things got better after Atlanta canned their coach. They literally just said that during the game about how they got better at closing games out.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 10:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
I always felt like Nate Mcmillian is a great coach. So they got that going for them. His rotations was way better with the players than their previous coach.
This post was edited on 5/23/21 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 5/23/21 at 10:33 pm to Fun Bunch
SVG spent the whole year teaching defense. I wasn't feeling the first grade school coach who made us practice defense either. Happy he did though.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 11:05 pm to Fun Bunch
Van Gundy needs another season, but this season was disasterous in so many ways.
This post was edited on 5/23/21 at 11:08 pm
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