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re: Reading other teams' forums re Ingram and nobody wants him except the Kings
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:12 pm to ghost2most
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:12 pm to ghost2most
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He's a lot closer to Lavine than his fans want to admit
Lavine has 3/138 left and a down turning career after multiple leg injuries. He's two at least 2 1st round picks negative value (considering teams turned down 1 pick already)
Ingram is not even close to that.
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Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:46 pm to htran90
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It's really something. For years we struggled to find a competent wing, starter or backup. Last year we had 4 who could play for most teams...
It would not come to a surprise if suddenly you told me we moved murphy & landed Kessler. Shuffle picks whatever way you want to. And then slightly below max for Ingram. As much as I like him, there's a fear of him being capped of a player (like cam Johnson) showed when he was given
I'd be absolutely shocked if that happened.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:50 pm to ghost2most
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But he doesn't have value. At his salary expectation, he's a negative asset imo. He's a lot closer to Lavine than his fans want to admit
No.
That is what you think.
Gms are calling trying to get him. They are just trying to get him cheap. That is the waiting game.
Griff will get a solid deal or he won't move him. I'd bet on that.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:55 pm to Chalkywhite84
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That is the waiting game.
Why would his market improve? Free agency and draft is over. Most teams with signing their own or other players will make it difficult to get BI.
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Griff will get a solid deal or he won't move him. I'd bet on that.
Yeah thats the problem. Not moving him will be a major problem now. Other teams know this and are banking on Griff to fold.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:58 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Why would his market improve?
He literally just has to start taking 6/8 threes a game instead of 4 and his market will improve. 1 year left on his contract.
Right now he is being looked at as a potentially ball dominant wing, with too many mid range shots.
This can easily be changed. His best bet is to stay a Pel and shoot threes to improve his market. Or get traded anywhere and shoot more threes.
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:02 pm to P bean
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He literally just has to start taking 6/8 threes a game instead of 4 and his market will improve.
We ask this of him every year. It never happens. Let it go.
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Right now he is being looked at as a potentially ball dominant wing, with too many mid range shots. This can easily be changed. His best bet is to stay a Pel and shoot threes to improve his market.
Explain to me how BI does this with Murray, Zion, CJ and Trey needing the ball? If anything BI stats will go down not up due to the guys that need the ball in their hands.
BI is not turning into a catch and shoot 3 guy.
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:16 pm to Pels_Yaz
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We ask this of him every year.
Lol no we asked him to iso score and ball handle more.
He shot literally 6 plus threes games his first few years as a Pel.
Stfu. Talking out your arse as always.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:17 pm to Pels_Yaz
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BI stats will go down not up due to the guys that need the ball in their hands.
Dumbest shite ever.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:19 pm to P bean
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Lol no we asked him to iso score and ball handle more. He shot literally 6 plus threes games his first few years as a Pel. Stfu. Talking out your arse as always.
Wtf you ACTUALLY think the coaching didn’t ask him to shoot more 3s this year??!! Lol
Stop talking out if your arse and ignore facts P brain. Hes shot near 4 threes the past 3 years. Hes not going to magically go back to shooting 6 threes with 4 others guys that need the ball.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:21 pm to P bean
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Dumbest shite ever.
Why? This is common sense. You think BI stats will go up now?? Explain this. You think dejounte won’t handle the ball more? You think BI will just sit in the corner and shoot more threes? Give me a break.
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:31 pm to Pels_Yaz
BI is great off the C&S 3
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:32 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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BI is great off the C&S 3
How many did he take per game or this season?
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:33 pm to Pels_Yaz
How many catch and shoot threes come from a team with questionable point guard play?
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:36 pm to teke184
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How many catch and shoot threes come from a team with questionable point guard play?
Let me get this straight. BI couldn’t shoot threes because he didn’t have a true point guard?
Zion was one of the best players to provide catch and shoot opportunities. But of course that will be ignored because he’s not a “true” point guard.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 5:18 pm to ghost2most
Let me ask y’all something… why are y’all looking to trade Brandon Ingram?
Posted on 7/6/24 at 5:20 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Let me ask y’all something… why are y’all looking to trade Brandon Ingram?
Really the only reason is because he decided to stop shooting 3’s and that makes him a clunky fit with Zion. It’s not due to his level of play as he played well this season until the playoffs where he was injured.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 9:38 pm to ghost2most
Not gonna be Kings now either. Just yraded for DeRozan.
Y'all ready for BI again?!
Y'all ready for BI again?!
Posted on 7/7/24 at 9:20 am to ghost2most
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It's interesting that other teams' fans pretty much say the same stuff we do. Ball dominant, hasn't improved, not a good fit, wants too much money, etc. The only fanbase that really seems to want him is the Kings. Hawks, Spurs, Cavs, Lakers, Jazz are all like no thanks.
Remember when SFP and others were saying we were too emotional and that BI would fetch a haul?
Posted on 7/7/24 at 9:33 am to higgsBoson
Brian Windhorst discussed BI on his podcast and speculated why the Pels are struggling to trade him.
His point was this:
1. BI is a half a step to a step below max contract status due to his play last year.
2. Plenty of guys of his caliber have gotten maxes.
3. He is going to want a max.
4. Teams, because of the new salary cap system, are not handing out maxes like they had been. Plus, too many max guys have fizzled.
5. No one is going to want to give the Pels a haul for a guy who they don't think they will be able to re-sign.
I'm afraid we are going to have to keep him for the time being and wait until he can be rented to a contender at the deadline when someone is not going to care about re-signing him. Or, if they do trade him, everyone is going to say how we got taken to the cleaners because of the garbage we get back in the deal.
His point was this:
1. BI is a half a step to a step below max contract status due to his play last year.
2. Plenty of guys of his caliber have gotten maxes.
3. He is going to want a max.
4. Teams, because of the new salary cap system, are not handing out maxes like they had been. Plus, too many max guys have fizzled.
5. No one is going to want to give the Pels a haul for a guy who they don't think they will be able to re-sign.
I'm afraid we are going to have to keep him for the time being and wait until he can be rented to a contender at the deadline when someone is not going to care about re-signing him. Or, if they do trade him, everyone is going to say how we got taken to the cleaners because of the garbage we get back in the deal.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 9:47 am to PrimeTime Money
1. Paying a player max salary to a player who's borderline top 30 at best has historically been a death sentence to NBA front office's, I.E Bradley Beal, Zach Lavine.I don't want the Pels to be the team who adds the next name to that list.
2. He's shown that he is unwilling to adapt his game to become more efficient/additive to his teammates. He has plenty of talent to make a max contract a value but he's shown that he doesn't fit well with better talent. I.E FIBA, Zion. He wants to be the #1 option.
If he would be willing to shoot 6-8 3's a game while playing the defense he showed last year in addition to everything else he brings to the table then I'd be willing to consider him staying long term at a max salary, but even if he does it for one year he's shown that isn't who he is and that he will eventually revert back to what we see every other season in his career.
2. He's shown that he is unwilling to adapt his game to become more efficient/additive to his teammates. He has plenty of talent to make a max contract a value but he's shown that he doesn't fit well with better talent. I.E FIBA, Zion. He wants to be the #1 option.
If he would be willing to shoot 6-8 3's a game while playing the defense he showed last year in addition to everything else he brings to the table then I'd be willing to consider him staying long term at a max salary, but even if he does it for one year he's shown that isn't who he is and that he will eventually revert back to what we see every other season in his career.
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