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Post up fadeaways and pull ups from 8-15 feet, Z probably has made more than he missed
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:50 am
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:50 am
I'm talking 2 handed stop and pop jumpshots, since some people consider mid range floaters to be the same, it's not. Don't make the mistake of going to a shot chart to challenge the topic, because every shot he's taken from that range was not a jumpshot like pull up.
Prior to this season thru his career, Zion had taken about 12-13 Jordan like post up fadeaways, he made at least 9 of them. Antonio Daniels mentioned this last season in a broadcast, and it's an official stat somewhere for it. I don't think he's taken any of those this season, so I'm sure that number hasn't changed much.
Now that he's taking the pull up (has probably taken less than 10 in his career, still hasn't taken a middy outside of 15 feet), he is clearly a much better shoitee than hes ever gotten credit for.
These jumpers are a Jordan like level of clean. High lift on the jump, clean flick of the wrist, can make them while fading in each direction (the pull ups only, all the post fadeaways were turning left), gets it up quick (pause), ect.
This dude will average 32+ next year if BI is gone and the team is built properly around Z.
Prior to this season thru his career, Zion had taken about 12-13 Jordan like post up fadeaways, he made at least 9 of them. Antonio Daniels mentioned this last season in a broadcast, and it's an official stat somewhere for it. I don't think he's taken any of those this season, so I'm sure that number hasn't changed much.
Now that he's taking the pull up (has probably taken less than 10 in his career, still hasn't taken a middy outside of 15 feet), he is clearly a much better shoitee than hes ever gotten credit for.
These jumpers are a Jordan like level of clean. High lift on the jump, clean flick of the wrist, can make them while fading in each direction (the pull ups only, all the post fadeaways were turning left), gets it up quick (pause), ect.
This dude will average 32+ next year if BI is gone and the team is built properly around Z.
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Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:56 am to MidWesttoNO
If he starts taking and hitting at regular volume, his game transforms to a whole different level.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:05 am to MidWesttoNO
I'm hoping there's a documentary years from now about the 23-24 Pels championship season, where some analyst says, "......and then Zion took a pull up jumper... and everything changed"
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:16 am to jmcwhrter
quote:LL Cool J I'm Bad playing while showing a montage of Zion jumpshots?
I'm hoping there's a documentary years from now about the 23-24 Pels championship season, where some analyst says, "......and then Zion took a pull up jumper... and everything changed"
I'm all for it lol
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:18 am to Fun Bunch
2024/2025 season is where he's puts all together as a legitimate MVP candidate. He's going to see everything he needs to work on and skills he needs to break out regularly in these playoffs.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:31 am to supe12sta12z
The crazy thing is it looks so smooth and natural for him. He needs to start using it more. Zion completely took over the 3rd quarter when we desperately needed it and looked like a true superstar
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:41 am to Balsamic_duck
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The crazy thing is it looks so smooth and natural for him. He needs to start using it more. Zion completely took over the 3rd quarter when we desperately needed it and looked like a true superstar
In year 2, he was 7-8 in fadeaway jumpers from the post, rookie year he was 1-1, last season he was like 4-7.
I've been saying for years that bro has one of the cleanest jumpshots in the NBA and when he shoots it off the dribble, it's a lafy hand MJ. He gets so much lift man, and the release is so clean looking. Always has been.
Bro is just so good getting to the basket that he is reluctant to take a less efficient shot. However, it's not really less efficient when you are that good at it. Take em more man.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 10:05 am to MidWesttoNO
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He gets so much lift man, and the release is so clean looking. Always has been.
A big part of it is that teams don’t remotely guard it and honestly he should take full advantage of that.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 10:14 am to MidWesttoNO
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I'm talking 2 handed stop and pop jumpshots, since some people consider mid range floaters to be the same, it's not. Don't make the mistake of going to a shot chart to challenge the topic, because every shot he's taken from that range was not a jumpshot like pull up.
You do know you can go look on NBA.com at his stats and specifically see the stat for pull up jump shot?
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He's 13-34 on pull up jump shots this year for 38.2%. Only 2 of those 34 were 3's, so the rest are mid range shots i assume.
That ain't over 50% bub, but i agree that he needs to take more of those shots we've seen him take just below the free throw line the last few games, especially if JV has offensive rebounding position b/c his man stepped out on Zion.
Driving floating jump shots, whatever that means, he's 32-71 for 45%
Floating jump shot he's 7-11
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Prior to this season thru his career, Zion had taken about 12-13 Jordan like post up fadeaways, he made at least 9 of them. Antonio Daniels mentioned this last season in a broadcast, and it's an official stat somewhere for it. I don't think he's taken any of those this season, so I'm sure that number hasn't changed much.
Fade Away jump shot 0-2
Turnaround fade away 1-2
And no i dont want him taking that shot.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 11:10 am to Fun Bunch
quote:He goes from 24ppg to 28-30, and his good games go from 34 or so points to 44 or so points.
If he starts taking and hitting at regular volume, his game transforms to a whole different level.
And he goes from the level he's at now which is around top 20 ish to top 10 ish.
Still not convinced he'll ever take enough to get to the above levels though. 1-2 per game won't get him there, needs to be like 6-8 per game, just not yet convinced that definitely will happen.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 11:16 am to MidWesttoNO
quote:It's crazy how high he gets.
He gets so much lift man
It's funny because he's usually guarded by taller dudes and doesn't shoot the ball from a high release point but none of that matters because he jumps really high but the main reason, dudes are sagging so far off of him because they know they can't stay with him if they guard him close.
That shot will always be there. It doesn't matter how many he makes, defenders won't ever guard him so close because they're scared he'll make jumpers.
And that's ok. What it does do is plant a seed to a defender of just 1 more way Zion can score on you. So what that'll do is probably make that defender stand just a tiny bit closer and also react just a tiny bit slower when Zion does drive, so the defensive structure may not look completely different but those little margins will help Zion get more space too.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 11:18 am to shel311
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Still not convinced he'll ever take enough to get to the above levels though. 1-2 per game won't get him there, needs to be like 6-8 per game, just not yet convinced that definitely will happen.
I don’t think he needs to shoot 6-8; maybe against certain teams or matchups but majority of the time he just needs to sprinkle it in like hes doing. Also a process- I think we need to give him a year or two to fully implement it. Personally I believe in Zion implementing middie more than BI shooting 3s at this point.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 11:20 am to shel311
All Zion needs to do is have this in his bag. When teams build a wall around the rim, he pulls up and gets it.
Z is unstoppable with a good jumper. 3 options for him when he drives: Take it to the rim, kick it out to a 40% 3pt shooter, pull up and knock down the 10 footer.
MVP
Z is unstoppable with a good jumper. 3 options for him when he drives: Take it to the rim, kick it out to a 40% 3pt shooter, pull up and knock down the 10 footer.
MVP
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
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He's 13-34 on pull up jump shots this year for 38.2%. Only 2 of those 34 were 3's, so the rest are mid range shots i assume.
Good stuff Teddy...bottom line. I assume Val is gone next year & for Pels to take next big step to being a serious playoff contender...Zion MUST become a true "Batman"...and learn how to make all the other players...better, by increasing his assists (mainly kickouts for open 3s) & cutting back on turnovers. That's what separates a Superstar from a Star...making teammates better. We've got plenty of 3-pt shooters that can hit the open 3...IF Zion can learn to not force it inside vs 2 or 3 opponents...just flip it back outside to that open guy.
Shoot less...assist more...the only way we can be a serious contender with a player like Zion. Plus, eventually he'll end up getting more 1 on 1 matchups & can take it to the hoop much more effectively.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:45 pm to Dinky Mulberry
If he got SGA calls, he should never do anything but drive. He would be shooting 20 FTs a game.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:54 pm to Fun Bunch
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f he starts taking and hitting at regular volume, his game transforms to a whole different level.
yes it does.... defenses have to play him vastly differently, and our offense should adapt to include backdoor cuts to give him an outlet and/or position for offensive rebounding...
if he develops even a 10 foot midrange game, he'd be damn near unguardable by a majority of players in the NBA
Posted on 4/12/24 at 4:49 pm to chRxis
It's taken so long to see this, it will pay dividends in the playoffs.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:34 pm to FMtTXtiger
Z is missing his middy’s in the 1st Q
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