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re: Possible 4 team trade involving the pels
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:58 am to longhorn22
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:58 am to longhorn22
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don't know how steph got brought into this
You suggested that adding a Vet or Rookie PG would fix the problem, so I added the best shooting PG in the league and don't think it will fix the problems that come with having 3 non shooters in your starting lineup.
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Victor Olandipo is a nice piece and would be a slasher who could create, yes not so much shoot but he's still under the age of 25 and can work on becoming a better shooter.
And Fred Vinson has done some good work helping guys shoot better. I've already said in an Oladipo trade thread that I would strongly consider trading our 1st top 3 protected for him since I think we'll end up in the 7-9 range if we don't win the lottery. But that's adding 1 non shooter to the mix with the hope you could fix his shooting down the line and he's maybe you're 4th best player in 2 years if you get a nice FA or trade piece in the next 2 years. But this trade essentially makes our 2nd and 3rd best players non shooters. And I'm not even factoring Tyreke into the mix because I think they've already decided he doesn't fit Gentry. Tyreke + Dipo + Gordon + Asik, Gentry's head might explode trying to figure out how to make that work around AD.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 9:59 am
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:01 am to TeddyPadillac
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Why is Oladipo a non shooting wing?
Because he doesn't shoot well enough to keep the defense honest.
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Oladipo has gotten better shooting each year he's been in the league. Who's to say he can't keep improving and be a 40% 3 point shooter?
Who says I said he couldn't? If you read my next response (post above this one) you'll see I'm not anti-Oladipo, I'm anti turning Jrue into Oladipo and Gordon. I just think the only thing that helps is this year's tank.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 10:02 am
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:07 am to TigerinATL
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Because he doesn't shoot well enough to keep the defense honest.
Have you watched him play more than once or twice a year?
not being an arse, just why would a Pelican fan watch him play in Orlando enough to actually know anything real about his game?
You can't tell me anyone in the media knows anythign about him, b/c they aren't watching Orlando games either.
I agree i'm not giving up Jrue and Ryno for Oladipo and Gordon, but i'd have no problem giving up a top 3 protected pick this year for him.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:08 am to lsu4life86
Where the hell did this deal even come from?
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:10 am to TeddyPadillac
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Have you watched him play more than once or twice a year?
No, but you typically have to shoot at least 36%-37% from 3 before defenses start paying attention to you. I don't need to watch Oladipo play to see how NBA teams defense sub 35% 3 point shooters. I watch that every Pels game.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 10:10 am
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:30 am to TigerinATL
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I just think the only thing that helps is this year's tank.
Which is what they should be doing anyway. They aren't reloading with the potential trades they could make to be good next year either. Keeping Holiday isn't going to change the trajectory of this team.
In this hypothetical and extremely unlikely deal, you get Gordon/Dipo, keep your 1st, and see it's odds of being a top 3 pick increase? That's a huge win for where this team is. Frankly, I'm shocked people think the Pels shouldn't do something like this.
Yes, fit questions (like they have had the past 4 years). As others already pointed out, Gordon is a 4 next to Davis and that is tantalizing. McNamara had a post about this idea too. The big hole would be finding a good, lead guard. I like those chances more (:cough: :cough: IshSmith) than keeping Holiday and finding young, cheap, 2 way players with high potential that can stick around for years.
The thought of the Pels being able to roll out a Davis/Gordon/Dipo/Ingram 4 man lineup is pretty enticing and you still have Q. Or try Dunn/Davis/Gordon/Dipo/Q. Or Davis/Simmons/Gordon/Dipo. Yes, these teams will not be very good for the next couple of years. The Pels aren't very good right now. At least there's hope with a move like this.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 10:33 am
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:36 am to lsu4life86
I dont care how good the players are we get, we just cant lose Anderson for nothing. We will take the dive of a small market team if we get nothing. Demps gotsta go, if so.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 11:30 am to lsu4life86
getting rid of Jrue.. Negative.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 11:36 am to CP3forMVP
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Where the hell did this deal even come from?
Bleacherreport
Posted on 2/15/16 at 11:42 am to lsu4life86
and somehow orlando of all teams gets the best 
Posted on 2/15/16 at 11:48 am to slutiger5
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I dont care how good the players are we get, we just cant lose Anderson for nothing
I disagree. Gaining the cap space, and the opportunity to pursue free agents (whether this year, or the next few), is a lot better than wasting cap space on undesirable players to just "get anything in return".
Posted on 2/15/16 at 1:01 pm to lsu4life86
Orlando would be jumping in joy for a trade like that
Posted on 2/15/16 at 2:37 pm to Ryan3232
On the subject of oladipo
This was discussed in a TBW roundtable:
Pels get Dipo/Biyombo/Delon Wright
ORL gets Patterson/Right to swap first with pels/Toronto's 1st/Our Denver 2nd Rounder
TOR gets Ryno and 2017 philly 2nd
This was discussed in a TBW roundtable:
Pels get Dipo/Biyombo/Delon Wright
ORL gets Patterson/Right to swap first with pels/Toronto's 1st/Our Denver 2nd Rounder
TOR gets Ryno and 2017 philly 2nd
Posted on 2/15/16 at 2:46 pm to LosLobos111
Posted on 2/15/16 at 3:21 pm to LosLobos111
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Pels get Dipo/Biyombo/Delon Wright
ORL gets Patterson/Right to swap first with pels/Toronto's 1st/Our Denver 2nd Rounder
TOR gets Ryno and 2017 philly 2nd
ONly thing that would make that better is if Asik could just go back to Turkey.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 3:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
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ONly thing that would make that better is if Asik could just go back to Turkey.
There has been a lot of smoke about the Cavs looking for a Mozgov replacement. The latest rumblings were them looking at Koufos. An Asik dump to Cleveland may not be crazy.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 3:44 pm to TigerinATL
quote:The theory being, they are looking for a center that fits into the Haywood exception NOW, rather in the offseason when they'd be competing with every team with cap space for the same player.
There has been a lot of smoke about the Cavs looking for a Mozgov replacement. The latest rumblings were them looking at Koufos. An Asik dump to Cleveland may not be crazy.
They are looking for a Center and wing combo. Koufos would fit into the exception, then in a different transaction they'd want McLemore for Mozgov.
Would be the same if Asik fit into the exception, and we traded Cole for Mozgov.
Or Splitter/Korver.
Rumors today are they might just wait to see if Joe Johnson gets bought out by Brooklyn, and then sign him for the vet minimum. Keep the exception and Mozgov going into the offseason.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 3:49 pm to corndeaux
Young, promising players? Do not want !!
Posted on 2/15/16 at 3:50 pm to patendedgmf
Even with Koufos not starting the Kings shouldn't pay McLemore to dump him. Koufos is the same tier as Asik but on a better deal. He should be an asset over the next 2 years.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 3:55 pm to TigerinATL
I thought for a second, if the Kings wanted to move Koufos and McLemore for an expiring, why wouldn't we just send them Ryno?
*now Iman Shumpert is available. The guy bought a house in ATL last year. That could be a Iman/Korver swap ready to happen.
*now Iman Shumpert is available. The guy bought a house in ATL last year. That could be a Iman/Korver swap ready to happen.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 4:00 pm
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