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re: Per Duncan: Pels have began interviews this morning; list confirmed
Posted on 4/5/19 at 12:45 am to teke184
Posted on 4/5/19 at 12:45 am to teke184
It is absolutely top 3 if he continues to drop off, and misses so many games.
Wiggins is the worst contract considering his usage and how little he brings. They will inevitably lose Towns because of this.
Walls contract is atrocious, but he is still is quite bit younger than Paul. Odds are by the last two years of his contact he will be better than what CP3 is.
Wiggins is the worst contract considering his usage and how little he brings. They will inevitably lose Towns because of this.
Walls contract is atrocious, but he is still is quite bit younger than Paul. Odds are by the last two years of his contact he will be better than what CP3 is.
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 12:46 am
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Posted on 4/5/19 at 6:06 am to NOFOX
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Other than working under Morey who is brilliant, what leads you to believe Rosas possesses the knowledge and capability to do that? How do you know if Rosas is able to accomplish that without the lead of Morey
You can beg that question about every candidate besides Griffin.
But in Rosas’ case he has actually been in charge in various branches, like their D league team, and the result was the consensus best roster in that league and two championships.
Like I said from the onset, I am not 100% on the guy, but out of the list we know of, you’d be hard pressed to make the case that he doesn’t check off more boxes, and come out with a higher grade, than most of the other candidates. Including Griffin.
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 6:09 am
Posted on 4/5/19 at 6:34 am to TigerinATL
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That’s what I want to see. A basketball braintrust, not a solitary genius.
Right. Hiring Rosas or Langdon doesn't automatically make your team analytics heavy or skilled at player development. Ryan McDonough didn't turn Phoenix into Boston West. Whatever McVay assistant isnt guaranteed to turn his new team into the Rams
The Pels need many sharp people working together towards the same vision.
Because it doesn't really exist, the hire has to be able to build out a legitimate basketball infrastructure- scouting, analytics, coaching, training, media etc.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 8:48 am to CocoLoco
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Wiggins is the worst contract considering his usage and how little he brings. They will inevitably lose Towns because of this.
Wiggins WS% is 0.5
on a side note, the more i look into all of the potential candidates the more i want to roll the dice on Langdon
Posted on 4/5/19 at 9:17 am to Bronc
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But in Rosas’ case he has actually been in charge in various branches, like their D league team, and the result was the consensus best roster in that league and two championships.
I just have questions that he has interviewed and not gotten a job. I wouldnt be hard pressed to say he checks off less boxes than Langdon it Griffin. Morey for as good as he has been doesn’t have an executive tree like others. With Hinkie MIA, it’s really just Karsinovas who is in reality an assistant GM. Gersson doesn’t have the connections that other candidates do. He hasn’t played professionally, doesn’t have a quantitative background, went to UH, and has been with one team for 16 years outside of a 3 month stint with Dallas where he resigned.
Langdon played at Duke, in the NBA and abroad, has scouted with the Spurs, was G League exec of the year, was assistant GM for the overperforming Nets under Marks and has a quantitative background.
Griffin went to the finals as an assistant GM under Kerr, went to the finals 3x with 1 ring as GM of Cleveland. Cleveland had an extensive analytics department when he was there. He had Lebron, but so did Riley year 1 and Magic this year. Griffin did a great job of team building around Lebron with complementary players with specific skill sets.
Again my ideal is Langdon with Ferry sticking around with the organization as a consultant. I just think people here overrate Rosas because he worked under Morey and underrate Griffin because he had Lebron.
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 9:24 am
Posted on 4/5/19 at 9:30 am to corndeaux
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Ryan McDonough didn't turn Phoenix into Boston West.
McDonough is my issue with Rosas. The Suns hired him as this wunderkind who worked under the brilliant Ainge with a team with an advanced analytics department. McDonough didn’t play ball professionally, had been with one organization for his career, and had a journalism degree.
Now Sarver has a knack for diminishing all candidates, but McDonough was not good in the GM role even if he was great in boston’s front office system. He drafted on Ainge and Zarren. My concern is that Gersson is the same with Morey and McNair and previously Hinkie and Karsinovas.
To build a great organization and bring in awesome people to do that, it helps to have a lot of connections.
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 9:32 am
Posted on 4/5/19 at 9:30 am to NOFOX
I think people are scared of Griffin because he was the one that pushed hard as hell for Bennett and was the #2 when they drafted Waiters.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 9:41 am to Fun Bunch
Wasn’t Griffin the one that had that public falling out with LBJ too?
EDIT: sorry I am confusing David Griffin with Dan Gilbert
EDIT: sorry I am confusing David Griffin with Dan Gilbert
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 9:58 am
Posted on 4/5/19 at 9:51 am to DeionDeion
Griffin is flawed. His drafts were bad and yes he had Lebron, but he went to the Finals 3x with one ring over a 73 win team. I know I sound like a Griff fanboy and I am not and actually prefer Langdon/Ferry combo, but Gilbert’s refusal to extend Griffin and allow Griffin control is one of the things that drove Lebron to LA where Magic/Pelinka/Buss thought they would at least be in the conference finals.
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It makes no sense why he shouldn't get an extension. He's pulled every move—he's tried to make every move happen—to better this team to be able to compete for a championship. So we wouldn't be in this position, obviously, without him and without the guys that are here—from the coaching staff to the players to Griff. He's been a big piece of it.
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If no one appreciated you Griff I did, and hopefully all the people of Cleveland! Thanks for what u did for the team for 3 yrs! We got us 1??
Posted on 4/5/19 at 10:24 am to NOFOX
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Griffin is flawed. His drafts were bad and yes he had Lebron, but he went to the Finals 3x with one ring over a 73 win team
Right. Sort of surprised at the negative views of Griffin here. I get the Bennett draft is a massive miss, but if Durant doesn't go to GSW, they might have 2 titles in Cleveland. That 17/18 team was legit.
To piggyback on your other post, I would be fine if they hire him because of his experience and rep around the league. He would give the team legitimacy that they just don't have.
If Gayle opens up the checkbook and says build what you want and report to me, I think the Pels could do worse than giving Griffin the keys and letting him build an organization. Being able to find and attract many top basketball people is the single best thing for this team going forward.
No one will likely ever replicate San Antonio's success, but having a large basketball ops staff, then being able to identify and empower scouts, coaches, analysts they way they do should be the model for the Pels
Posted on 4/5/19 at 10:28 am to corndeaux
The truth is we can nitpick any of these guys to death.
A Griffin hire would probably give us the most positive press of anyone. He seems to be the most well respected guy out there and the highest power one, and has gained a lot of goodwill with his analysis since his firing.
All of these guys have and will make mistakes. Sports requires a lot of luck and a lot of things are completely out of your control.
This Ford guy seems pretty sharp, and I actually do trust Lauscha and Loomis to make a smart hire here.
Whomever it is I will give them a chance just like any other. 3 years to see what they do.
A Griffin hire would probably give us the most positive press of anyone. He seems to be the most well respected guy out there and the highest power one, and has gained a lot of goodwill with his analysis since his firing.
All of these guys have and will make mistakes. Sports requires a lot of luck and a lot of things are completely out of your control.
This Ford guy seems pretty sharp, and I actually do trust Lauscha and Loomis to make a smart hire here.
Whomever it is I will give them a chance just like any other. 3 years to see what they do.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 10:30 am to corndeaux
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but having a large basketball ops staff, then being able to identify and empower scouts, coaches, analysts they way they do should be the model for the Pels
There are (successful) teams with a basketball front office (including scouts) of SIXTY people. I think I read somewhere that ours is around 16.
That has to expand drastically with the right people.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 10:45 am to Fun Bunch
I could give a crap about positive press.
We’re so far out of discussion for most players that having a buzz isn’t going to offset the kinds of problems we have because of an understaffed and mismanaged front office.
We’re so far out of discussion for most players that having a buzz isn’t going to offset the kinds of problems we have because of an understaffed and mismanaged front office.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 10:58 am to NOFOX
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Griffin is flawed. His drafts were bad and yes he had Lebron, but he went to the Finals 3x with one ring over a 73 win team.
Didn't know GM's played now a days.
He didn't go to the Finals, Lebron did.
He signed JR Smith to a 4 year $57M contract.
He signed Tristan Thompson to a 5 year $82M contract.
He signed Iman Shumpert to a 4 year $40M contract.
He signed Varejo to a 3 year $30M contract, then traded him away with a first round pick.
After drafting Wiggins and trading him, they made 1 pick over the next 3 years, b/c they traded away every pick they had basically.
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Gilbert’s refusal to extend Griffin and allow Griffin control is one of the things that drove Lebron to LA
yeah b/c Griffin did whatever Lebron told him to do, no matter how stupid of a decision it was, like handing out all that money to mediocre players.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 11:11 am to TeddyPadillac
Seeing griffin and ferry’s name floating around scares me. This franchise needs a fresh start. Rosas or Langdon with Ferry or Sheppard as a senior advisor would be most ideal scenario. Doubt that we can pull that off though.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 11:19 am to Pelibeast
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Sheppard as a senior advisor
wat
Posted on 4/5/19 at 11:25 am to TeddyPadillac
Yeah why tf are people okay with Griffen? Just because some of your think he’s a nice guy on hisblittle podcast doesn’t mean he’s a great gm. His contracts with players were demps quality bad and his drafts were trash. .
Posted on 4/5/19 at 11:34 am to Fun Bunch
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Sheppard as a senior advisor
I hope they can keep Ferry as a senior advisor. If not and they hire Langdon, they need to bring in one of the older guys as a senior advisor like Bucks - Rod Thorn, Hawks - Rick Sund, Raptors - Wayne Embry...etc.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 11:44 am to NOFOX
That was probably the biggest mistake of the Demps era. No adult supervision for a first time GM.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 11:54 am to Pelibeast
imo I think the concept of a 'fresh start' gets too much mileage.
Just because a candidate isn't a 'sexy pick' (i.e. Ferry & Griffin) doesn't mean that they are the wrong person for the job. They might have learned from their mistakes, want to try new things, and be the best candidate
And just because Trajan and Rosas are the 'fresh young minds' doesn't mean they are the right person for the job. They could have some really outrageous ideas that fall flat on their face. Like collecting "young vets" around a budding superstar
This is why I'm very impressed Gayle hired the Ford guy. They will get the best person for the job.
Just because a candidate isn't a 'sexy pick' (i.e. Ferry & Griffin) doesn't mean that they are the wrong person for the job. They might have learned from their mistakes, want to try new things, and be the best candidate
And just because Trajan and Rosas are the 'fresh young minds' doesn't mean they are the right person for the job. They could have some really outrageous ideas that fall flat on their face. Like collecting "young vets" around a budding superstar
This is why I'm very impressed Gayle hired the Ford guy. They will get the best person for the job.
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 11:56 am
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