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shel311
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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
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Giannis is overrated. He is an elite athlete but lacks basic basketball skills. His highlights overshadow his weaknesses. He will never win a championship unless he develops better bb skills.

Agreed, with every single word of this.

The true elite of the elite have the ability to take over late in big playoff games. As of now, it seems "easy", for lack of a better word, to neutralize him in those spots.

IMO that is the most important trait in an elite player. If you told me you could give up all the great defense he plays and just be average on defense but gain the offensively ability to be unstoppable when it matters(like a Kawhi or Lebron) I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.


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shel311
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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
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I highly doubt we get him, but I do think we will be part of a 3 team trade for the Heat

One thing we haven't really talked about because it's just not as fun, even if Giannis turns down that super max, I'd still think the Bucks are more than 50% likely to still keep him and go for it 1 more time next season.

They'd obviously push for a trade, something like adding a CP3 type big name, and hope they can win a title, which would then likely ensure Giannis sticks around. That's honestly probably the best route as opposed to trading him.
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Soggymoss
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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
Bucks came out and said they absolutely will not trade him no matter what.

Giannis came out and said he absolutely will not ask for a trade.

So he will definitely be traded by November 15th


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Bucks came out and said they absolutely will not trade him no matter what.


I think Toronto is satisfied with the price they paid for a championship. The Bucks may view it similarly. They are a legit contender now and trading Giannis doesn't get them any closer to a title in the next 5 years than they are now.
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GynoSandberg
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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
How does a DPOY who hangs an efficient 30 a night overrated

Lacks basic basketball skills? What?

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He will never win a championship unless he develops better bb skills.


He’s 25 years old and has improved every year he will never win a championship until a proper team is put around him. Lebron was 27 when he first won in Miami. Kawhi didn’t take a leap til he was around the same age as GA is now, and Giannis is progressing at a fast rate.


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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
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he will never win a championship until a proper team is put around him.


MIL made the fateful decision to let Brogdon walk, because they didn't want to pay the tax. That's the #1 reason that people say that Giannis should leave: the Bucks have already indicated that they aren't willing to do what it takes to win.


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shel311
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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
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How does a DPOY who hangs an efficient 30 a night overrated
A great many people say, with the 2 MVPs as evidence, that's he's the best player in the NBA.

He is nowhere near the level of Lebron or Kawhi, or a healthy KD or Curry.

In that sense, he's overrated. If you have him just outside your top 3, then he's likely properly rated. I don't think anyone can make a great argument that he'd be one of the top 3 dudes you'd choose to start a playoffs right now, again, assuming health for all players.

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Lacks basic basketball skills? What?
That's obviously overstating, but he certainly lacks the offensive ability to be that go to guy late in big games compared to elite players, or that a back to back MVP should have.
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Epic Cajun
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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
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Lacks basic basketball skills? What?


I think a better way to say it is that he is not a primary ball handler that can get his own shot. A good team can defend him by “building a fricking wall” in the paint. It’s hard to win a championship with a “big” as your best player unless you have a fantastic number 2 that can function as a primary ball handler. Ball handlers are just more impactful than off ball players. At this moment Giannis doesn’t have the ball handling or passing skills to be a number 1 on a championship team.

Simmons and Russillo have been talking about this on their pods, it makes sense and I’ve even mentioned it on here and the msb in past years (not specifically about Giannis, but more so ball handlers being more impactful than bigs, regardless of who is “better”).


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ulsaint
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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
Obviously you take him if you can get him but not sure him and Zion are the ideal fit.


50_Tiger
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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
Huh?

He’d be perfect next to Zion.

Ball could be a pass only PG with Zion / Giannis / Ingram.

The only question is would Ball be better 2G or could we pull someone from the bench to fill the role.

Then again who cares, they would be 4th in the offense.

Imagine having games where no matter what you have either Zion or Giannis on the court. Walking 30 PER’s.

We will win games on sheer talent alone.


TigerinATL
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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
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He’d be perfect next to Zion.



Perfect seems pretty strong. They both "hunt" in the same areas and have similar strengths and weaknesses. I definitely have some questions about fit because of the redundancy. With Boogie and AD both had enough perimeter skills that you didn't feel parking one outside to create space was a complete waste of talent.

Maybe the GIannis/Zion and Zion/Giannis P&Rs would be unstoppable. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, but if all we get is 6 months to a year to prove it can work or he walks for nothing, there are enough fit questions that I'm not paying a kings ransom for it.


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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
The other two players next to BI/GA/Zion would need to be high level shooters.

Lonzo would obviously have to go, as would Favors.


ulsaint
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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
Zion, Giannis and Ball would be a brick shooting trifecta


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shel311
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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
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Huh?

He’d be perfect next to Zion.

Ball could be a pass only PG with Zion / Giannis / Ingram.
Zion/Giannis/Zo in a lineup, while obviously still formidable especially with BI, but that would make things "easy" for teams to just build the wall so Zion and Giannis couldn't easily get to the hole.

That team severely lacks shooting. You'd have to trade Zo if we get Giannis, 100%. Even though he shot a solid 3pt% last season, he has zero gravity, which will make things tougher for the Zion/Giannis combo considering both of them also have zero gravity long range.

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We will win games on sheer talent alone.

No doubt. But I think we'd have major issues in the 4th quarter of big time postseason games with that top 4.


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ellishughtiger
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I mean Nola is the closest thing to Greece in the US


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Townedrunkard
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re: Pels tied for 3rd by oddsmakers as likely landing spot for Giannis if he leaves
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That's an interesting trade because while Jrue > Bledsoe, Bledsoe does bring enough to the table that you wouldn't lose too much and you do gain several future assets for the war chest


And maybe that would make the Bucks more inclined to trade him to us with other assets of course to get their own picks back if they start tanking....


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