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Pels probably hiring Redden as GM per Athletic

Posted on 4/17/19 at 8:16 am
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 8:16 am
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The New Orleans Pelicans will likely hire Trent Redden as general manager. Redden was David Griffin's chief aide with the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Pelicans hired Griffin as Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations.

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Not surprising given the connection, but I would have liked to diversify the minds/talent rather than hiring a ton of Cleveland's old front office.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 8:20 am to
Would be a massive get. If it happens I don’t think anyone can doubt how big a deal was to get Griffin, and how serious ownership is about getting good.

Also, guess ole Crewzy’s friend is really surprised.
Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 8:25 am to
They seem to be doing something right with the Clippers. Hopefully Redden can bring some of that here, if he is indeed hired.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 8:25 am to
Don't get too excited yet. As I said day 1, Redden was Griffin's first call but it is a tough sell. What people need to understand is that the Pels "GM" position is a fake GM position. It comes with less power, responsibility, and therefore less salary than a typical GM job.

Redden will be a GM in this league, and could be one as early as next week in LA if their current GM takes the Minny job. That would come with more money, power, and a better market. A lot still in play. If Redden was a slam dunk, he would have already been announced because Griffin asked him days ago.
Posted by burdman
Louisiana
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20686 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 8:28 am to
Makes sense
Posted by Mad Scientist26
Member since Jul 2018
1948 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 8:30 am to
Man all this hype behind Griffin and Redden along with Magic and Walton (who got another job in less than 24 hours) leaving the Lakers just shows how much of a pain it is to have LeBron on your team. Also, how he basically screwed AD into looking like an idiot. I respect what he does as a civilian and his game but man it’s pretty evident he’s hard to work with.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 8:35 am to
The greatest in any field are hard to work with because their expectations are impossibly high. Nobody liked working with MJ either, and if players would have had more power back then, I bet he would have exercised it and made things difficult.

Hitchcock was notoriously hard to work with, Hughes, Steve Jobs, and on and on and on. The true outliers are the greats who work well with inferior people. Its a skill that is hard to master when you are that much better/smarter than those who surround you.
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 8:38 am to
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 8:53 am to
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The greatest in any field are hard to work with because their expectations are impossibly high. Nobody liked working with MJ either, and if players would have had more power back then, I bet he would have exercised it and made things difficult.

Hitchcock was notoriously hard to work with, Hughes, Steve Jobs, and on and on and on. The true outliers are the greats who work well with inferior people. Its a skill that is hard to master when you are that much better/smarter than those who surround you.


Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:09 am to
Lol snipe
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:11 am to
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It comes with less power, responsibility, and therefore less salary than a typical GM job.

there’s no salary cap on the front office
if the pels want this guy they need to buy him
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:33 am to
There isn't a salary cap, but like any good business in the world, there is a budget.

And again, its not just about money. If Redden can be a real GM in LA, with actual power and the ability to make the final decision (before it is approved by ownership, of course), that trumps a job where you do all the lower level work, hand your ideas up to Griffin, who then decides and closes deals.

All this being said, no offense, but nobody on this board knows the actual attributes, skills, or even personality of Redden. Or anybody else who could get the job for that matter. So, to have opinions and/or get upset or even happy about whatever hires are made from this point forward seems kind of weird to me.

Either you trust in Griffin to put together a good staff or you don't. Either you trust in Gayle to give Griffin what he needs or you don't. The actual names are inconsequential, seeing that nobody on this board actually knows anything about these men.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72032 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:39 am to
Get to know redden a bit crewzy

Friday Insider: Trent Redden preparing for next chapter after leaving Cavaliers

Jason Lloyd Jun 23, 2017

For? the? first? time? in? 11 years, Trent? Redden wasn’t? in? the? Cavaliers? draft? room Thursday night.? For? the?? first time in 23 years, David Griffin wasn’t in anyone’s draft room. Before they both left the Cavs on Monday, Griffin and Redden were the top two decision makers in the organization. On draft night, however, neither was even in the city.

Griffin is on vacation in Los Angeles. He was lying on a couch in a hotel room following along with all of the picks Thursday night. Redden drove to Columbus to meet an old friend who was in town on business. They watched part of the draft together before heading out for dinner and drinks


“It’s not weird. It’s a little surreal,” Redden told The Athletic on Thursday night. “It’s not weird at all yet. I’ve been on the phone more the last three days than I’ve ever been. It’s been crazy.”

Friends and colleagues have reached out to check on him. Other teams have connected to say they’d like to talk about job opportunities after the draft. He was in contact with Cavs executives this week offering his opinion on what they should and shouldn’t do in trades — after all, he’s still under contract through the end of the month.

You know by now the story of Griffin, who parted ways with the Cavs after seven years, including three successful seasons as general manager. This is the story of Redden, the 33-year-old assistant GM who went out of his way to stay anonymous.

??? “He’s as good as there is,” Griffin told The Athletic. “The reason nobody knows him is because he was never at any point a self-promoter. He’s never wanted an agent, he’s never wanted any hype, never wanted his name in the paper. The guy just does his job. He’s the rarest. I don’t know of anyone at his talent level who has worked as hard as he has to keep himself in the background.”

When reached during the draft Thursday, Griffin did not want to speak about his own separation from the Cavs, but he was happy to talk about Redden, the prodigy who was scouting games as an intern.

Redden was hired by former general manager Chris Grant after graduating from SMU following a modest playing career. He is the guy who devoted his life to his career. He devoured game film, stayed loyal to his colleagues and kept his mouth shut. He made such an immediate impression that months after his internship began, he was sent out on the road to scout college prospects — including some the guys he was playing with and against a few months earlier. Someone so young already scouting is unheard of in the NBA.

Redden rose from intern to the second-most powerful position in the front office in about a decade. A number of Cavs officials were busy with draft preparation Thursday, but one reached during the day said he owed his career to Redden.

“I wouldn’t be here today without Trent,” he said.

Redden fostered terrific relationships with college coaches across the country. He writes in-depth scouting reports and is an expert on college football just as much as basketball.

“Watch the Pac-10 North this year,” he told me a few years ago. “Best division in college football.”

And when I joked with him during a Las Vegas summer league game about a system a friend of mine had devised to try to beat the roulette wheel, he grabbed a pen and paper during a timeout and calculated that the “system” was actually losing $1.03 per spin.

“There’s literally nothing in an NBA front office he’s not capable of doing,” Griffin said. “His growth and evolution as an executive has been profound.”

So why is he out, too? Why wasn’t he just given a new contract and promoted to general manager when Griffin and owner Dan Gilbert couldn’t come to terms on a new deal?

The only thing that’s clear is that Redden didn’t bother fostering much of a relationship with Gilbert, instead focusing on his own scouting staff and keeping morale high even when scouts were logging so many hours for so many years when the Cavs didn’t even have any draft picks.

It might have felt like a waste of time, scouting players the Cavs had no chance of taking, but Redden kept imploring his staff to keep going. They had to prepare their boards every year as if they could trade into the top 10, even though the past three years, the Cavs have owned just one first-round pick — and they traded it away on draft night two years ago.

They bought a late second-round pick last year to take Kay Felder and again sat out and watched the draft proceedings Thursday. Griffin traded away this year’s first-round pick as part of the finagling needed to acquire Kyle Korver. Their second-round pick went to the Boston Celtics three years ago as part of a series of five trades Griffin executed in order to create a large enough trade exception to eventually obtain Timofey Mozgov.

Ultimately, the Cavs did about as much Thursday night as both Redden and Griffin did: nothing.

“I feel fortunate to have worked for three people that I learned a bunch from in Danny (Ferry), Chris (Grant) and then obviously Griff,” Redden said. “I’m proud of the people that we leave there. They are the best group and hardest working staff that we could ever ask for and are special in their own way and that’s the hardest part. I won’t get to see my family of 11 years anymore. I was happy to be a small part of bringing a championship to Cleveland because of our awesome players.”

That might be the most he has said publicly in 11 years.

For now, Redden will finish out the summer in Cleveland and evaluate his options. If he doesn’t get back into the league immediately, he’ll probably move back to Dallas.

He won’t be out of work long
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11923 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:42 am to
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Either you trust in Griffin to put together a good staff or you don't. Either you trust in Gayle to give Griffin what he needs or you don't. The actual names are inconsequential, seeing that nobody on this board actually knows anything about these men.

I don't know much about Redden. However, I would assume that people's opinions would be based on the results of the team they helped build. I think you even mentioned that Langdon was a hot commodity because of the build that Brooklyn had made. These are simply opinions.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38829 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:43 am to
all true
but I said “if the pels want him” they should buy him
I don’t know him from Adam
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23079 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:44 am to
In our situation, couldn't Griffin act as the "final authority" more or less? Could Gayle have given him full authority to make decisions so instead of a GM having to run things by the owner, our GM would run it by him?

Obviously Griffin would be move involved than most owners would be, but in that scenario, I wouldn't say the GM is a fake position.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61528 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:45 am to
This is probably a leak from Redden's camp to get the Clippers to make an offer to him.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:47 am to
Thats fine, but it is still reaching based on just results and no info. How many times have we seen the offensive coordinator of the best offense get hired and stink? Or the D coordinator. McDonough comes from the Celtics front office and fails in Phoenix.

The fact is that it is a cumulative effort and none of these guys are that much smarter or better than 100 other guys in the league. Luck just happens to some and not to others. But as fans, we would be perceived weak if we just said, "Yeah, I don't know about any of these guys, I will just wait and see."

Instead, you gotta be "fired up" if we got this guy or "pissed off" if we didn't get that guy. And its just funny to me, because nobody knows even the smallest things about any of these guys besides their prior job titles
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
9928 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:48 am to
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In our situation, couldn't Griffin act as the "final authority" more or less? Could Gayle have given him full authority to make decisions so instead of a GM having to run things by the owner, our GM would run it by him?



I really don't see Gayle telling Griffin to try to squeeze and extra asset from Boston or see if NYK is willing to up their offer when he reports to her the deals he works up.

Obviously he'd run it by her, but more of a "this is the trade we're about to finalize, good?" kind of relationship.

The same way I'd assume Loomis is with the Saints.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11923 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 9:48 am to
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This is probably a leak from Redden's camp to get the Clippers to make an offer to him.


Possibly. The writer covers Cleveland, so he may have ties to Redden from the past and be doing him a favor.
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