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re: Pels Free Agency Thread: Scoop says Pels still pursuing Kuminga S&T, pg11
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:12 am to NawlinsTiger9
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:12 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Anything less than a 6-seed is a disaster
That's just silly. If we make the play-in game and make it to the playoffs, that is a win for a young, developing team.
If we lose in the play-in, it is not a "disaster." We'll end up with the 11-14 pick that will go to Atlanta. The odds of it being a top-4 pick are miniscule, but not nothing.
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:13 am to Fun Bunch
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We still have Zion. On a huge contract. And backed ourselves into a win now, right the frick now situation.
Trade him. Or build your roster with him in mind
That's what we are doing... If Zion is a superstar then you don't need players to fit around him for success. The dude should just go on the court and drop 30/10. Putting better players around him isn't a bad thing. Its an even better thing when you put better players around him that can also replace him.
We are getting ourselves leverage to trade Zion instead being garbage and NEEDING to get rid of him.
All of this makes perfect sense to me.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:13 am to Dantheman504
If we hadn't done Queen, maybe sending next year's unprotected first with Murray for Kuminga gets it done and make some sense.
Now...
Now...
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:15 am to AOC4PREZ2028
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and before that, when Steph and Butler were healthy, he was BENCHED by Kerr. A healthy scratch. He was most certainly not "their guy
This has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. You also can't judge a players abilities while their arse is on the bench so IDK what you are saying.
I get what you are saying but its like saying a guys stats 3 years ago were bad so lets ignore the most recent data.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 11:16 am
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:16 am to AOC4PREZ2028
No
An unprotected first from a lottery team is worth way more than 10 spots in a draft
We have to be good enough for that pick to have never been worth a damn
We didn’t just trade what it was, we traded what it could have been all year, too.
This team has to frickin win, period.
An unprotected first from a lottery team is worth way more than 10 spots in a draft
We have to be good enough for that pick to have never been worth a damn
We didn’t just trade what it was, we traded what it could have been all year, too.
This team has to frickin win, period.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:17 am to Fun Bunch
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If we hadn't done Queen, maybe sending next year's unprotected first with Murray for Kuminga gets it done and make some sense.
Now...
That makes less sense.
Murray > Kuminga
Kuminga > Herb
We are everting the best possible assets we can.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:17 am to Macintosh
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Kuminga is an upgrade from Herb.
Kuminga fits the timeline better for this team. It’s tough losing that caliber of perimeter defender when you have no one else. On a team that lacks defense already
But I can understand the proactive move when you see guys similar to herbs archetype of player whose value has diminished pretty quickly.
DFS was worth a quality first at minimum at one point and wound up being traded for less
Thybulle was worth similar. Not anymore
Bulls sold Caruso at his peak statwise and got a young quality player out of it.
Time to pull the trigger on Herb Jones to the Warriors for Kuminga...with whatever additional things it takes to make it happen. Good for Warriors...good for Herb...good for Pelicans (especially long term) and good for Kuminga.
Gonna miss Herb in NO...and rest assured, he's gonna improve his overall game when playing with the Warriors...so get ready to moan and groan when he does. But overall, as I said...good deal for all concerned.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:20 am to Dinky Mulberry
Can someone explain to me why Kuminga is gonna suddenly be a winning player when he arrives here when he was an outcast on a wildly competent organization who really, really frickin needed and wanted him to be good?
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 11:22 am
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:20 am to Dantheman504
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This has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. You also can't judge a players abilities while their arse is on the bench so IDK what you are saying.
What I am saying is that Kerr benched Kuminga in the first round of the playoffs. There has to be a reason why. It is a red flag for me. I wouldn't trade for the guy.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 11:22 am
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:20 am to Dinky Mulberry
Lord, there’s more than one person that thinks Kuminga is better than Herb. I am blown away.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:20 am to Dinky Mulberry
Right now we have Herb SG and Trey SF. We would just have Trey SG and Kuminga SF. Its not that crazy of a move and doesn't change as much as people think. It only gives us more options to play different lineups.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:25 am to Dantheman504
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We could also give him like a (4) yr 90mil deal and do it 13-21-26-30.
Just load the back end, which that still wouldn't be a bad contract honestly.
Per year raises/declines are capped between 5-8%. Since he’s a sign and trade, he’d be capped at 8%. To give him 4/90, the lowest we could start him out at would be around $19.8m.
The other issue is the way the new cap rules work is that GSW can only take back about half of whatever Kuminga’s starting salary in contracts. In a way that helps us as it lowers the potential other suitors, but also limits our options of getting him and still avoiding the tax (ie we can’t Trade Murray for Kuminga). Even though I don’t think we should trade him, it is a big reason why Herb’s contract fits so well with a Kuminga trade.
Technically the Poole/CJ trade doesn’t become official until July 6th. Nothing is obvious, but it could potentially give us a couple more cap options expanding that we aren’t discussing
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 11:32 am
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:26 am to PELsu
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Lord, there’s more than one person that thinks Kuminga is better than Herb. I am blown away
Herb is 26 and averages 10pts/ 4reb/ 3ast
JK is 22 and averages 15pts/ 4.5reb/ 2ast
You are an idiot.
Herb didn't even know how to shoot until 23-24 and still isn't as good as Kuminga already is. Kuminga has also increased his steals every season since his rookie year.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 11:28 am
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:28 am to Dantheman504
Explain to me where the defense comes from if we move Herb for Kuminga. (I will admit I have not followed Kuminga)
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:32 am to Fun Bunch
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We still have Zion. On a huge contract. And backed ourselves into a win now, right the frick now situation.
Trade him. Or build your roster with him in mind.
Yep. Splitting the baby and trying to have it both ways would be dumb. If Zion Williamson is on the court, he will be the focal point of our offense, and everything needs to be built to maximize the efficiency of those units.
If Zion is out hurt for much of the season, then we will struggle to make the play-in with our roster, with or without Kuminga. If we're expecting Zion to miss much of the season, then we should have dumped him and done the difficult, long, full rebuild.
But Dumars sent Zion to the draft to emphasize that he's still the face of the franchise.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:32 am to Large Farva
quote:defense what’s that?
Explain to me where the defense comes from if we move Herb for Kuminga. (I will admit I have not followed Kuminga)
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:32 am to Large Farva
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Explain to me where the defense comes from if we move Herb for Kuminga
Defense is less important when you are outscoring the other teams. Something we have never been able to do up to this point.
Trey/ Kuminga vs smaller players will be matchup advantages. Murray is going to come back and he makes Herb expendable/ replaceable.
All this on top of the fact that if it doesn't workout then we have Zion to trade for those pieces.
Z, Trey, Missi have continued to take steps forward defensively so there's some confidence there. I don't think Poole/ Bey are necessarily "liabilities" Especially when Pooles expectations start at replacing CJ's defense
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:35 am to Dantheman504
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Dumars is gonna drop Willie's arse even sooner than we'd want him to.
Unless he canned him yesterday it’s not too soon for me.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:37 am to Dantheman504
quote:Thunder don’t win without that defense. You may have an argument with the pacers but Nesmith and Nembhard stepped up their defensive play in the playoffs. Pacers also outscore teams but they also have a plethora of 3 pt shooting threats. Something we don’t have. Defense matters.
Defense is less important when you are outscoring the other teams. Something we have never been able to do up to this point.
Point is, if you’re going to be a team that puts heavy emphasis on offense, you better have a shite ton of threats from 3. We have 2 maybe 3?
Posted on 7/2/25 at 11:37 am to Dantheman504
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Murray is going to come back and he makes Herb expendable/ replaceable.
This seems like a tall ask for a 29 year old who is returning from a ruptured Achilles to replace Herbs defensive presence.
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