re: Pels covet Nate Ament in top 10 of draft

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So, why doesn't Murphy get the same level of criticism?

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Though still limited, Murphy has more game than # 1.

Who would you like on the free throw line with the game in the balance? Who would you like taking that last minute three to win a game? Did you notice how Borrego started benching # 1 last year defensively late in close games? Did you realize that 3M3 was a better defensive rebounder as your 3 and D guy than your so-called superstar as a Power Forward?

But most importantly:

Since their arrivals in New Orleans, who's game has shown more improvement; 3M3 or # 1?

Funny how there seems to be a vibrant market for 3M3 and no interest at all in # 1. Perhaps other NBA front offices don't see what you see, huh?

DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!!

saying all that just to say the team still went 22-44 and he was -169

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So, why doesn't Murphy get the same level of criticism?

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because no one sees Murphy as the #1 option on a team. He’s not even a second option on good teams. Zion has been paraded as the face of the franchise. We have attempted to build our team around him for 7 years yet we still suck and most of the time he can’t stay healthy. Even when he’s healthy the team still sucks. That’s why.

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because no one sees Murphy as the #1 option on a team. He’s not even a second option on good teams. Zion has been paraded as the face of the franchise. We have attempted to build our team around him for 7 years yet we still suck and most of the time he can’t stay healthy. Even when he’s healthy the team still sucks. That’s why

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Murphy will be best as the number three option on a championship team and he would be elite at that role. I could see growing into being a number 2, but I don’t see it. He is the perfect low usage elite role player. That’s why he’s so valuable. But for us when we don’t have a number one or number two yet Trey doesn’t make sense. It’s better to trade him and get assets to help us find a number one and two. Maybe we have them with Fears and Queen but their timelines don’t line up with Trey.

ETA: with the right number one Trey can grow into a really good number two as well. He would just need a very ball dominant player who can create for both of them. And in that setup he’d be a perfect number two. Golden State obviously would be great. Boston with Tatum also.

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Doesn't market value mean anything?

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All of this is valid. Murphy is a good player with promise. He's just not as talented as Zion, who is the most talented guy on our team.

I don't care if we trade him or not. But if he's here, he starts. You can't show me anybody on our roster that should play over him. No coach is brave enough to do it. The front office would revolt as well. 40M guys aren't bench players. They'd be better off cutting or waiving him before they do that..

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Somehow, # 1's Kool-Aid drinking stans seem to overlook these obvious truths.

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You can't take my crown as the Zion truther. I called out to trade him over 5 years ago and have been hammering him ever since. I'd love to move on. But I want us to benefit when we do, if we can. That's all I care about..

I don't understand what your post is. What are you trying to get across? Are you saying trey is the future? I understand you don't like Zion that's fine. But we were a bad team last year. There is a difference in putting up good numbers on a bad team and being a good player. Is trey willing to accept a 2nd or 3rd role? I doubt it. I feel like he wants to be number 1. Especially not to a rookie or 20 year old. He's not a winning player as proven in our record last year and the past years he's been here. Yes can get better. But unless he whole heartily accepts being the third option be gotta go.

Kind of like how the Pelicans were trying to trade up for Ace Bailey last year. They kept the misdirection on Fears pretty well hidden last year.

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Kind of like how the Pelicans were trying to trade up for Ace Bailey last year. They kept the misdirection on Fears pretty well hidden last year.

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Misdirection? Wasn't his availability at 7 shocking to the front office, which is what caused their panic trade to get Queen (who they would have picked at 7)?

I just don't see how you're trying to relate the possible attempt to trade up for Bailey with Fears. Bailey was too expensive to acquire, in that scenario and we never had a shot to draft him in the first place. We also didn't anticipate having a shot at Fears where we picked.

The trade up speculation might have been true but it was never for Bailey. That was a big misdirection for months. We had a giant hole at the PG position at the time. It was always an attempt to get Fears.

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That's not fair. They did their due diligence with a Queen evaluation and Bey was a huge hit. Peavy is TBD and Hawk even looked like an actual NBA player towards the end of season. Excluding the last game.

I don't see why it's a problem until it backfires,
Its not like we've had great luck elsewhere.

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Queen is a DMV who is friends with Weaver's son. Bey has the Weaver history as well. Hawkins has almost never looked like anything more than an end of the bench player or G League player. Peavy is a TBD.