re: Pelicans, one of the teams, reached out to Portland for Damian Lillard

For a team like the 6ers, whose window could be incredibly short depending on if Embiid wants out, this could make a ton of sense.

I do doubt Portland would want Harden, but there is probably some team put there willing to gamble he could make them a playoff team.

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If this was a legit move and they thought the best move for the team, yes. But this is neither of those things.

Looking a few posts up, Portland is going to want a lot more than CJ, JV, and a few negative value pieces, and I think you'll find it hard for ANY 3rd team to want to come in for that.

And then if you are adding picks to the deal, you really are killing your long term window for an all in 2 year window. Which is the stupidest thing you can do right now when the current window is 10-12 years, and something like this can be revisited 6 or so years down the line, or sooner if a younger all star becomes available and makes sense (because then the younger all star becomes an asset instead of a liability like Dame will be in 2 years).

This is a move you make for someone still in their 20s (28 at the oldest maybe). That way you can get maybe 6 years out of it and triple or more the window Dame would give us.

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I just completely disagree with this. Portland is disposing of Dame in a bad situation and selling low.

I do not think that Dame's value is likely to significantly decline in a year, so if we were to trade for him and it didn't work out, we could likely get back equal value to what we paid.

In fact, that would be my pitch to Dame: "We think that you, BI, and Zion can win a title this season. Give it a shot, and if you want to go elsewhere after a year, we'll trade you."

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I do not think that Dame's value is likely to significantly decline in a year, so if we were to trade for him and it didn't work out, we could likely get back equal value to what we paid.

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The big question marks are:

Why would any team be part of that trade where they don't get Dame and we do, where the best assets are an aging CJ and a limited JV, while taking on negative asset players, and picks that aren't going to be worth what they will have to give to Portland?

Why would we shrink our window by 10 years NOW by trading for Dame when we can either wait for a younger player, or wait years into our window for an older player instead of doing this at the beginning of our window?

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Not that I think we have a legitimate chance of trading for Lillard, but this is yet another situation where Griffin may have jumped the gun on the CJ extension. As an expiring, he would have had much more value in a potential trade.

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You don't think that Portland selling Dame now, after the draft, significantly lowers what they will get?

Dame's trade value at the deadline, or immediately after the season, is likely to be higher, when more teams can bid.

Yeah, Dame could experience a sudden decline in the quality of his play, but I think the idea that we'd be blowing our one shot? Very unlikely.

The way that Griff would pitch Gayle on this is to propose exactly that: give it a shot for a year and try to win a title. If it doesn't work, we can trade him and we're back under the tax.

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That approach would be a big risk. What if he got injured and did not play much next season? Would cost a good bit to unload him. I don't think you would go in with a one year goal.

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when more teams can bid

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This population is tiny and would have one fewer team if we bowed out.

And he'd be a year older

With another year of failure

And an increasing contract

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What part of the 27 points 7 assists and 6 rebounds do you need to see drastically changed

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Ingram has never averaged 27 ppg in his career.

Also James will want him to change that whole dumb arse dribble dribble turnover iso play thats his go to

Trading for Dame is a high risk proposition that is reserved for the select few teams with closing windows that need to take a shot now. Injuries are the main thing derailing the Pels. They are too young and have too much of a window to take on Dame's contract and have a next 2-3 years or bust mentality.

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Ingram has never averaged 27 ppg in his career.

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You weren’t in Dink and myself’s thread coming off the turf toe, so you’re lacking a little context. Dribble, dribble, dribble (your perspective) resulted in an uptick in Herb, TM3, and Val’s play, due to ball and player movement (Barrego’s thing) with Jose, Zion, CJ, and Nance out or severely hobbled.

Yeah, all this board wanted to do, for months, was blow it up and start over. I think a majority of the board wanted to trade Zion.

Those of you who oppose trading for Dame and going all-in with Dame, Zion, and BI this season: what's your plan for winning a title?

Because I've heard some people say that we should wait until someone younger like Luka or Giannis is available, and that's just the dumbest plan imaginable, as those guys don't end up deciding to go to New Orleans.

This is what we accumulated all those picks for: so we'd have a shot at getting a 3rd star and making a title run.