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re: Pelicans, one of the teams, reached out to Portland for Damian Lillard
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:44 pm to Colonel Flagg
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:44 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:Why? Give reasons
The issue is way more complex then what you are presenting.
We have multiple years of data to show this.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 8:45 pm
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:49 pm to shel311
I am with Shel. I don't understand this BI is the alpha of the team nonsense. He has been on our team for four years. Our greatest moment (other than the 30 games Zion had us in first without BI) was losing twice as many games as we won in a first round series.
I really like BI. He is a very good player. He isn't impacting winning at a high level as the alpha though. He CAN be the #2 on a championship level team though. If we are going to be successful like we all want, it has to come with Zion as the alpha and BI as his running mate. We haven't gotten to see them together much yet but I am still optimistic. It really isn't a knock on BI. It just is what it is.
I really like BI. He is a very good player. He isn't impacting winning at a high level as the alpha though. He CAN be the #2 on a championship level team though. If we are going to be successful like we all want, it has to come with Zion as the alpha and BI as his running mate. We haven't gotten to see them together much yet but I am still optimistic. It really isn't a knock on BI. It just is what it is.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:56 pm to ThePistol
quote:He can be the leader. But he's not our best player, the #1 you build around. That won't end well. We have a history of NBA data to show us that.
I am with Shel. I don't understand this BI is the alpha of the team nonsense
quote:Love the dude, he's the dude I want as our #2. I was vehemently against moving him for Scoot.
really like BI. He is a very good player
shite, I wore my Kingram shirt to do a little shopping with the wife today in fact
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:56 pm to shel311
Shel, It doesn’t even matter, they both play for the Pels. I know your pretty astute, but you sound like a talking head sometimes ….. Who’s 1A … no, hes’s no 1B he’s a 2 … lol. Basketball is a team game for sure
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:58 pm to Pistol44
quote:In fairness you're doing legit the exact same thing as me. You're just taking the opposing viewpoint but there's no difference
I know your pretty astute, but you sound like a talking head sometimes
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:03 pm to Colonel Flagg
Yep. Missing so much context just throwing records out there. Who is the guy who has shown up and played. Dominated the playoffs.
I want neither player traded for Dame or anyone for that matter, but Brandon Ingram in mocks is a hell of a lot stupider than Zion ones. Just my 2 cents.
I want neither player traded for Dame or anyone for that matter, but Brandon Ingram in mocks is a hell of a lot stupider than Zion ones. Just my 2 cents.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:08 pm to Hailstate15
I feel like the Ingram can’t be a #1 argument isn’t valid if we have Dame on the team bc Ingram will definitely be the #2 in that circumstance.
So would we rather have Zion be 1B to Dame for 29 games a season (avg games played) or Ingram be a strong #2 to Dame for 55 games a year?
I’d probably lean Ingram just bc I trust his health a lot more than Zion and I think his injuries might be more fixable due to his body type and less physical playstyle.
So would we rather have Zion be 1B to Dame for 29 games a season (avg games played) or Ingram be a strong #2 to Dame for 55 games a year?
I’d probably lean Ingram just bc I trust his health a lot more than Zion and I think his injuries might be more fixable due to his body type and less physical playstyle.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:12 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Dame is going to be a #1 for what, 2 more years? Dame hasn't been playing 82 games a year either. You always let talent win. You don't trade a guy like Zion when he is 22 years old. I just don't get it.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:17 pm to Hailstate15
quote:2 people have now said this but no one has explained the context that led to a winning record with Zion and no BI and a losing record with BI and no Zion over multiple years of a sample size.
Yep. Missing so much context just throwing records out there.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:23 pm to shel311
Well for starters in previous seasons the roster looked completely different. Not to mention a bit of playoff experience for the rooks last year helped a ton.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:28 pm to Hailstate15
The New Orleans Pelicans have a 57-57 record all time with Zion Williamson healthy..
Mediocre?
:eyeroll:
Mediocre?
:eyeroll:
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:36 pm to ThePistol
quote:
Dame is going to be a #1 for what, 2 more years? Dame hasn't been playing 82 games a year either. You always let talent win. You don't trade a guy like Zion when he is 22 years old. I just don't get it.
You are correct. This argument is so stupid.
The only reason that we would even talk to Portland is that Zion and Dame are close to an ideal pairing, as they ideally space the court for each other. Dame's range is perfect to match with Zion's interior gravity. Teams absolutely could not "build a wall" to try to stop Zion, as that would mean an open 3 from Dame. And teams couldn't double Dame without an easy Zion dunk or layup.
The idea of trading Zion for Dame is imbecilic.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:39 pm to Hailstate15
quote:Still changing the subject.
The New Orleans Pelicans have a 57-57 record all time with Zion Williamson healthy..
Mediocre?
:eyeroll:
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:39 pm to Hailstate15
quote:And that helped Zion playing without BI but hindered BI playing without Zion... How?
Well for starters in previous seasons the roster looked completely different. Not to mention a bit of playoff experience for the rooks last year helped a ton.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:41 pm to shel311
Not claiming it hurt or helped anyone. I am claiming it’s unfair to use a team record as a comparison. Figured my sarcastic eye roll proving your own point against you would be enough to point that out. Using team record as a player metric is retarded.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:47 pm to Hailstate15
quote:So, back to my point
Not claiming it hurt or helped anyone. I am claiming it’s unfair to use a team record as a comparison. Figured my sarcastic eye roll proving your own point against you would be enough to point that out. Using team record as a player metric is retarded
quote:You can't claim multiple years worth of data lacks context if you're unable to provide this context you're claiming.
2 people have now said this but no one has explained the context that led to a winning record with Zion and no BI and a losing record with BI and no Zion over multiple years of a sample size.
Also odd that the most important stat for a team somehow doesn't matter only in this specific instance.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:50 pm to shel311
quote:
most important stat for a team
quote:
for a team
quote:
a team
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:54 pm to Hailstate15
I didn't realize we're pretending your best player doesn't impact winning.
Feel free to clarify that context you keep pointing out. Kinda feels like it's just a thing you said but can't back up, otherwise I you would have done so by now.
Feel free to clarify that context you keep pointing out. Kinda feels like it's just a thing you said but can't back up, otherwise I you would have done so by now.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:01 pm to shel311
Bottom line...on BI...I'm hoping Borrego can make a difference in his future developement. Important year coming up...for BI.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:04 pm to shel311
quote:
FYI, what you remember as a playoff push was a 15-17 record from the time BI returned from injury.
That's mediocrity.
Great now name all of the players that were healthy when Zion was playing, and all the players that were playing through serious injuries or were out when BI came back.
Everyone wants to ignore all of the other injuries we had. They fricking happened.
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