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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:56 pm to corndeaux
Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:56 pm to corndeaux
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100%- they are both modern 5s who want to be 4s. and they both want to be "the guy"
it works well enough when they are on the court together. but not so well that i ever feel like it is a real revelation. and when Cousins is by himself it is a disaster
Davis makes Cousins better, but I feel like Cousins kind of makes Davis worse.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:59 pm to Crewz
Look...I am not sure what you want me to say: this owner is terrible and practically no one could succeed under it? I heard that about the Saints too. The Saints were losers. Benson was a garbage owner. Every other organization in the NFL was light years ahead of them. And then the Saints hired some new folks, the organization changed, and they won a championship.
I don't expect that and it is not likely with the Pels, but I do believe that new faces can bring better results. I get that your view of ownership is skewed by your affinity for management, but if you ever get the chance to go to one of those charity events, try to corner Dennis Lauscha and sit down to talk with him about the organization. I think you will be surprised.
I don't expect that and it is not likely with the Pels, but I do believe that new faces can bring better results. I get that your view of ownership is skewed by your affinity for management, but if you ever get the chance to go to one of those charity events, try to corner Dennis Lauscha and sit down to talk with him about the organization. I think you will be surprised.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:02 pm to Crewz
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Sure. Okay, now what? I'm telling you, the ownership situation is not good. Can it be overcome? Sure. Anything is possible. It just isn't likely, so I wouldn't hold my breath. But you can do as you please. Hold out hope that they hire one of those once in a decade guys who can turn an organization around in spite of itself.
You hope. I shall not. Im too old for that.
Correct me if I'm wrong but, I see three main problems with our ownership:
1) The weird organizational structure which has Loomis overlooking Demps even though Loomis has no real experience running an NBA franchise
2) Benson bought the team as an old man and wanted to see them win a ship before he dies. Therefore, he rushed the rebuild process which hampered Dell.
3) If Benson couldn't win a championship, he at least wanted to make some money off the team which made him less willing to spend money on the little things. Sure, he's not as cheap as Shinn, but he's still not doing "whatever it takes" money-wise to compete with the top teams.
IF I'm right, that means that potentially two of those problems could subside when Benson passes and Gale takes over (Assuming Gale is the one that will continue to own the team afterwards. I don't know what the plan is there.)
Now, you know more about this than I so my question is, do you see ownership improving at all once Benson is gone? I know that's kinda morbid to think of and I'm not sitting here hoping he dies, I'm just curious on your take.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:03 pm to NOFOX
I DON'T THINK THAT MANAGEMENT IS GOOD!!
How many times do I have to say this???
I just think ownership sucks TOO
How many times do I have to say this???
I just think ownership sucks TOO
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:07 pm to Jester
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Davis makes Cousins better, but I feel like Cousins kind of makes Davis worse.
I read this. Thought to myself that's a clever observation, as I hadn't seen this yet on the board. Looked who wrote it. Damn near fell out of my chair.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 4:07 pm to Crewz
i am never shocked at how our biases cause us to ignore obvious facts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 4:13 pm to Jester
great point. i wonder what type of full time 5 would make Davis (and the team) better.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:54 am to Crewz
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I DON'T THINK THAT MANAGEMENT IS GOOD!!
How many times do I have to say this???
I just think ownership sucks TOO
Where did I say you think management is good??? You always get so defensive with the notion that you have a connection to management.
I said I think your view of ownership is skewed by your affinity for management. Perhaps I should have said relationship with instead of affnity for, but in essence you like Dell (not that you think he has been a good GM, but that he could be a good GM) and have a long term relationship with the people in his office. You chat with them and receive information from them, so you would tend to see things from their point of view as opposed to ownership with which you have no connection.
Regardless, the Pelicans are stuck with the owner. The owner is not good, but he has a championship trophy in a major sport because management/coaching changed the way they approached things with the Saints. From my perspective the ownership situation can be improved, it is not the unfixable type of Dolan/Randavive/Sarver bad.
Actually one of my biggest criticisms of Dell is that he does not appear to be a leader. If ownership is not on the same page, then the GM should convince them how the organization should be run and why it would be in their best interests to fix things. Again we are the smallest of markets, so there will always be a budget as very few teams can spend without regard for costs. However a GM should be able to convince ownership to spend where necessary and figure out the most efficient allocation of funds for running the organization.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 11:15 am to NOFOX
you've lost the plot entirely on the point you originally tried to make; which was the idea that ownership isn't fully invested in the Pels is lazy.
if the hiring practices for the Pelicans are the same as with the Saints, sure that makes sense. what is fairly obvious is that they are not. until they start to show that type of commitment to the Pels, fans are right to question ownership.
maybe that changes. i hope it does. or maybe they just get lucky with the right hires and catch lightning in a bottle; though getting to draft Anthony Davis is about as lucky as it gets and they have almost nothing on and off the court to show for it. they had a chance to hire a new coach after a playoff run and an all time season from their superstar and picked the cheapest option.
objecting to the notion that there is a difference in the way they approach the Pels v the Saints is simply ludicrous
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he has a championship trophy in a major sport because management/coaching changed the way they approached things with the Saints
if the hiring practices for the Pelicans are the same as with the Saints, sure that makes sense. what is fairly obvious is that they are not. until they start to show that type of commitment to the Pels, fans are right to question ownership.
maybe that changes. i hope it does. or maybe they just get lucky with the right hires and catch lightning in a bottle; though getting to draft Anthony Davis is about as lucky as it gets and they have almost nothing on and off the court to show for it. they had a chance to hire a new coach after a playoff run and an all time season from their superstar and picked the cheapest option.
objecting to the notion that there is a difference in the way they approach the Pels v the Saints is simply ludicrous
Posted on 1/6/18 at 1:04 pm to ShamelessPel
It has always been unreadable.
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