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Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:15 pm
Win? Crickets
Lose? 10 Fire Gentry threads.
What happened to actually discussing the games and the play of the players? How bout we actually talk about how Davis looked like he didn’t give a flying shite about this game? Why not acknowledge that Gentry actually had a nice play design for the win? Miller either comes off that pick with the 3 or has the kick out option to Davis. Davis missed a WIDE OPEN attempt. What about Rondo getting fricking schooled by Jack late? Gentry’s fault Rondo can’t stay in front of a dude who’s barely roster worthy coming off serious leg injuries? (Love JJ the person btw) Kristaps made AD his bitch late as well. The 3 pt shooting was atrocious.
There are so many talking points. Let’s keep turning what used to be one of the best boards on TD.com into a fricking cesspool instead.
ETA: I’ll add ironically enough we have one of the weirdest rosters in the league. This should be a fun team to discuss.
I’m also not going to defend Gentry or Demps, but there are games where Gentry deserves 10 threads about how much he sucks, and there are games our players play like half functional morons.
Lose? 10 Fire Gentry threads.
What happened to actually discussing the games and the play of the players? How bout we actually talk about how Davis looked like he didn’t give a flying shite about this game? Why not acknowledge that Gentry actually had a nice play design for the win? Miller either comes off that pick with the 3 or has the kick out option to Davis. Davis missed a WIDE OPEN attempt. What about Rondo getting fricking schooled by Jack late? Gentry’s fault Rondo can’t stay in front of a dude who’s barely roster worthy coming off serious leg injuries? (Love JJ the person btw) Kristaps made AD his bitch late as well. The 3 pt shooting was atrocious.
There are so many talking points. Let’s keep turning what used to be one of the best boards on TD.com into a fricking cesspool instead.
ETA: I’ll add ironically enough we have one of the weirdest rosters in the league. This should be a fun team to discuss.
I’m also not going to defend Gentry or Demps, but there are games where Gentry deserves 10 threads about how much he sucks, and there are games our players play like half functional morons.
This post was edited on 12/30/17 at 9:18 pm
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Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:17 pm to ShamelessPel
I’m not seeing some of the guys who would normally bring legit discussions.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:17 pm to ShamelessPel
Welcome to Louisiana, where we want to fire every coach.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:23 pm to ShamelessPel
Players are making the same mistakes over and over. Either they don’t give a shite on what the coaches are teaching or they just don’t believe in them.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:23 pm to ShamelessPel
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Davis missed a WIDE OPEN attempt
Honestly, as he was passing to AD I immediately thought I'd rather Miller take the 18 footer and send it to overtime than let AD shoot a win or lose 3. 35% chance at a win vs. probably 60%+ chance at a tie, go for the tie.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:23 pm to ShamelessPel
The play of the players and “Davis not giving a frick” is a direct correlation of bad coaching. The job of a head coach is to get every fricking player on his 15 man roster mentally prepared to go to war. He should have the players back and the players should respect that and in return have their coaches back.
Monty Williams wasn’t by any means a good nba coach, he was pretty average. But you know what? The players who played for him would run through a brick wall for that dude. He legitimately loved and cared about every man on the roster and the players knew that. Just ask Anthony Davis what kind of impact Monty Williams had on his life.
Monty Williams wasn’t by any means a good nba coach, he was pretty average. But you know what? The players who played for him would run through a brick wall for that dude. He legitimately loved and cared about every man on the roster and the players knew that. Just ask Anthony Davis what kind of impact Monty Williams had on his life.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:33 pm to ShamelessPel
Rondo's defense and the three guard lineup is certainly the unspoken elephant in the room.
And the live ball turnovers, the lack of transition D, the lack of bench depth, and the rebounding are points of emphasis that continue to plague us.
And unfortunately, some of that is just personnel. Even with Hill coming back eventually it is an odd starting lineup to put around two big men.
And the live ball turnovers, the lack of transition D, the lack of bench depth, and the rebounding are points of emphasis that continue to plague us.
And unfortunately, some of that is just personnel. Even with Hill coming back eventually it is an odd starting lineup to put around two big men.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:33 pm to SulphursFinest
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Welcome to Louisiana, where we want to fire every coach.
Except Will Wade
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:34 pm to MakeMoney
LSU fans will turn on him
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:36 pm to MrPel
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Monty Williams wasn’t by any means a good nba coach, he was pretty average. But you know what? The players who played for him would run through a brick wall for that dude. He legitimately loved and cared about every man on the roster and the players knew that. Just ask Anthony Davis what kind of impact Monty Williams had on his life.
Monty Williams would be a fricking terrible coach in today’s NBA. His philosophy is practically a fricking relic not even 2-3 years later and was even dying on the vine as it was happening. You think you can play a traditional 90s style in today’s game? Come on dude.
He was a fricking rah rah guy? Man y’all romanticize the ever living shite out of Monty Williams. There is nothing that pisses me off as a STH more than going to a game and getting absolute shite effort and I can’t tell you how many times I left that arena under Monty wondering why I bothered when the guys making millions won’t bother.
Another bizarre trend on PT. What a shocker it ended up in this thread.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:38 pm to ShamelessPel
Monty was fricking terrible, and people hated him like they hate Gentry now. It’s really bizarre to see the 180 that’s been done on Monty.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:40 pm to ShamelessPel
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I’ll add ironically enough we have one of the weirdest rosters in the league. This should be a fun team to discuss.
The team has way too much talent to drop games to the worst teams in the league consistently. They have played so well at times showing the potential ceiling of the team. Having the team suck on consistent occassion has to fall on the head coach.
I didn’t get to see the game tonight, but the Pels have losses to the Knicks, Mavs, and Kings this past month at home. A team can’t do that in the West regularly and get away with it.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:40 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
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Players are making the same mistakes over and over. Either they don’t give a shite on what the coaches are teaching or they just don’t believe in them
Or the maturity level of this particular squad is severely lacking. Show me that veteran that has been through the wars that isn’t Rajon Rondo. He hasn’t been a problem that we know of but he has certainly not been the stabilizing force for this team that Pondexter was years ago.
A Demps problem
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:41 pm to TotesMcGotes
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Monty was fricking terrible, and people hated him like they hate Gentry now. It’s really bizarre to see the 180 that’s been done on Monty.
The problem with Monty was he was never going to take the team to the next level.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:41 pm to Colonel Flagg
9-9 at home is pathetic
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:43 pm to Colonel Flagg
Yep Monty wasn’t going to take the franchise to the next level and neither will Gentry. It’s time to cut bait
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:43 pm to MrPel
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Monty Williams wasn’t by any means a good nba coach, he was pretty average. But you know what? The players who played for him would run through a brick wall for that dude. He legitimately loved and cared about every man on the roster and the players knew that. Just ask Anthony Davis what kind of impact Monty Williams had on his life.
I feel like there is a lot of revisionist history going on with Monty. He certainly had his redeeming qualities including a strong bond with AD(lets also not forget one of the selling points AD and Cousins had with Jrue and Rondo was how much fun Gentry's system is for them all).
One of the stats that frustrated me to no end during the Monty regime was our record with 2+ days of rest. Which to me showed a severe lack of preparation. We bitch about the Jekyl/Hyde component of the Gentry era, but that was present almost entirely through the Monty era. And there was a lot of in-fighting because Monty fostered a very cliquish culture in how he ran things. Which led to players like Tyreke and Gordon getting frustrated with him. Lots of hard-headedness and unearned favoritism in his rotations. Does anyone remember the Willie Green gobbling up Belinelli's minutes? Belinelli, Anderson, Gordon, and others taking backhanded shots at how the Hornets ran that team during their times here?
We were right to move on from Monty. I think we were clearly wrong to NOT move on from Demps as well.
This post was edited on 12/30/17 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:45 pm to Colonel Flagg
How do you know this? He was fired after the team made the playoffs. Gentry comes in and has steered the team in the opposite direction.
It’s either Monty or Gentry and your taking Gentry?
Gentry was fools gold. Telling AD “were next” while drenched in champagne celebrating in the Warriors locker room. Straight up fools gold. And the fool that hired him isn’t any better.
It’s either Monty or Gentry and your taking Gentry?
Gentry was fools gold. Telling AD “were next” while drenched in champagne celebrating in the Warriors locker room. Straight up fools gold. And the fool that hired him isn’t any better.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:51 pm to MrPel
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How do you know this? He was fired after the team made the playoffs. Gentry comes in and has steered the team in the opposite direction.
It’s either Monty or Gentry and your taking Gentry?
Gentry was fools gold. Telling AD “were next” while drenched in champagne celebrating in the Warriors locker room. Straight up fools gold. And the fool that hired him isn’t any better.
Our playoff season was another lost season until Demps brought in two battle tested veterans in Pondexter and Cole. Is it Gentry’s fault that the most experienced player on this team is the enigmatic Rondo? Or is it a failing of Demps to not realize you can’t have a roster full of perennial losers and expect them to somehow figure out how to win?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:09 pm to ShamelessPel
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Our playoff season was another lost season until Demps brought in two battle tested veterans in Pondexter and Cole. Is it Gentry’s fault that the most experienced player on this team is the enigmatic Rondo? Or is it a failing of Demps to not realize you can’t have a roster full of perennial losers and expect them to somehow figure out how to win?
Yeah this is too much of a talent derived league to put so much emphasis on coaching the way one might with an NFL team.
Carlisle is arguably a top 5 coach, he will likely be in the top 5 of the draft this season. And this is because his rosters lacks the base level of talent to be competitive.
Coaching changes are what turns a second round playoff team into a championship contender. And takes a potential second round team into 9th seed or something.
In that sense I think Gentry could be upgraded but I still think the core issue is the lack of talent and well-fitting role players. There is not really any coach I think you find off the street right now that drastically changes the trajectory of this season. I dont necessarily hate the core philosophy that Gentry and Finch have installed with this team offensively, in fact when executed properly it is some really good basketball. And if we had a point guard with a more respectable jump shot and put actual effort into defense, a backup that wasn't an over-the-hill undersized player one step away from retirement, and a three guard that could hit 38% on 5 threes a game, board at an above average level, and isn't naturally a two guard, I think the feel of this season would be dramatically different right now.
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