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Colonel Flagg
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
So everyone wants to move on from Demps and i get he has been here a long time; however, I don’t really hate this roster right now. Guys like Moore and Miller look like good complimentary role players. Obviously Cousins and Davis are all-nba players. Holiday has been playing like the guard we hoped he would be in December.

Obviously it would be best to not continue to trade draft picks, but if they got a wing role player in a dump of Ajinca/Asik/1st like Carroll I wouldn’t be opposed. I could see keeping the pick, but it won’t be a lottery pick so questionable how much I trust we will do much better with it.

In the offseason you resign Rondo and Cousins.

Then have a team of

Davis
Cousins
Holiday
Rondo
Moore
Hill
Carroll
Miller
Jackson

Then you look to fill out some rotational vets on minimum contracts. The core of the roster is in its prime.



shel311
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
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Monty Williams wasn’t by any means a good nba coach, he was pretty average. But you know what? The players who played for him would run through a brick wall for that dude. He legitimately loved and cared about every man on the roster and the players knew that. Just ask Anthony Davis what kind of impact Monty Williams had on his life.

Monty Williams was a bottom 3 NBA coach.

Gentry is a bottom 3 NBA coach.



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Colonel Flagg
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
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How do you know this? He was fired after the team made the playoffs. Gentry comes in and has steered the team in the opposite direction.


Gentry was a bad hire, but we aren’t in much different of a situation than before.


NorthshoreTiger76
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
We are in the same situation 8th seed


Colonel Flagg
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
The organization’s goal should be do anything to get Cousins to sign another contract. Then move on from Gentry.



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bonhoeffer45
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
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So everyone wants to move on from Demps and i get he has been here a long time; however, I don’t really hate this roster right now. Guys like Moore and Miller look like good complimentary role players. Obviously Cousins and Davis are all-nba players. Holiday has been playing like the guard we hoped he would be in December.

Obviously it would be best to not continue to trade draft picks, but if they got a wing role player in a dump of Ajinca/Asik/1st like Carroll I wouldn’t be opposed. I could see keeping the pick, but it won’t be a lottery pick so questionable how much I trust we will do much better with it.


Even Jeff Bower was able to manage roster building and the cap better than Demps TBH.

I mean I think that Demps has basically backed any future GM into a corner with what they can do sans bringing in some wizard like Pat Riley that convinces another star to come here. So at this point a new GM could only do so much unless we are gonna blow it up.

But I think the original sin of Demps goes back to how he handled the post-CP3 era. Even if you buy into his idea of young veterans on slightly more expensive contracts, he didn't exactly execute it well.

The problem with Demps is that he has not shown the ability to make smart decisions with team money. We are in this predicament because we signed Asik after trading a first rounder, signed Ajinca to a new contract despite bringing in a coach allergic to his type of big man. Signed Solomon Hill to an inflated contract in an inflated market when patience should of reigned supreme. Etwaun Moore probably has played well enough to be able to move his contract, but even he was signed based on a misreading of Jrue Holiday being capable of being a full time point guard.

Basically, I have no confidence in Demps judgement of how to build around our two players. The most obvious need is someone like Carroll and then in the offseason seeking a slight upgrade over Rondo so we can get some defense and at least a jump shot defenders have to stay honest with. I have zero confidence in Demps acquiring either of those pieces. If the organization looks for the easy answer in firing Gentry or not retaining him. I have zero faith in Demps finding a quality coach to replace him. That is my overarching issue.
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C3W
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
For the record, I’m “fire Gentry” win or lose.


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corndeaux
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
Didn't catch the game, but watched the last play. I don't mind the final play- I think it's harder to run some last minute action w/ Davis and Cousins on the floor than we think.

The only question I have is why not run that elevator doors play with Holiday or even Moore? I like their off the bounce/mid-range games better than Miller's.


Also, biggest difference with last 2 games is how cold the shooting has been (10/37 last 2 games on WIDE OPEN 3s). The congratulations here and other Pels sites on 3pt shooting being great was perhaps a little premature. Their % was always going to go down. Shouldn't be this bad, but 3PT shooting can be volatile. Their defense isn't good enough to overcome ice cold shooting from 3


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Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable


tRant spillover? That board is atrocious.


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pleading the fifth
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
The offense was the problem last night, not the defense.


corndeaux
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
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he was signed based on a misreading of Jrue Holiday being capable of being a full time point guard.


this is a great point. it's not that Demps's plans aren't worthwhile, rather he has trouble assembling a coherent roster to carry out those plans.

even going back to young vets- he has 3 ball dominant, scoring combo guards taking up half the salary cap with a coach who runs a system designed for one guy to pound the rock and control everything

to be fair, some of the problems are just chance. Davis becoming a scoring savant was a welcome change. Davis not embracing his calling as a 5 was not. Cousins falling into his lap was a worthwhile gamble, but also scrapped what looked like a mini-rebuild and took the team in a different direction.


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corndeaux
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
was it 3pt shooting? i'm only looking at stats (didnt get to watch the game), but they seem to have had a decent # of assists, not many turnovers, a good number of FTA.

i guess what i'm saying is that some nights the shots won't fall. can you find a way to grind out a win?


ShamelessPel
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
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was it 3pt shooting? i'm only looking at stats (didnt get to watch the game), but they seem to have had a decent # of assists, not many turnovers, a good number of FTA.


It was pretty much shooting. Consider the bulk of the turnovers came in the first quarter and that makes a difference too. They shouldn’t have lost. They absolutely dominated in the second half. Jack turned back the clock and Kristaps went nuts. Credit to them. Those two couldn’t miss late.

The offense was a little disjointed but it pretty much always is when our 3 pt shot isn’t falling. I hardly think the Pelicans are the only team to go through offensive woes when no one can hit anything from outside.

We were in a position to win on a terrible shooting night, and people are screaming bloody murder. It’s just nonsensical. The exact opposite of last night. The Knicks aren’t exactly the dumpster fire Dallas is either. They’re a .500 club...like us.


chesty
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
I have stopped posting here because this has become a rant/saints talk and it’s apparent that a lot of these posters just want to bitch and not actually discuss or theorize. They just want an echo chamber to agree with their opinions.


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corndeaux
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
thanks for the update. if Porzingis went off, then that's what star players do. if he and Jack hit shots over decent enough defense, not much you can do other than tip your cap.



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We were in a position to win on a terrible shooting night, and people are screaming bloody murder. It’s just nonsensical. The exact opposite of last night. The Knicks aren’t exactly the dumpster fire Dallas is either. They’re a .500 club...like us.


yeah. Knicks arent the same team as the last few years.

and i still struggle with the posts about this team having "too much" talent to lose games like :insertwhateverloss:

Davis+Cousins is great. they're doing some interesting things with them that do have some drawbacks (OREB for example and maybe transition defense). but if complementary guys aren't hitting the wide open shots they get, not sure how many of them actually bring much of anything else to the table


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CelticDog
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
Actually discussing details went out of style with the ascendancy of the alt right.

Try discussing any idea on poliboard. You will be hooted down unless you kick trumps boots.

Its contagious


The_Duke
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
The hype-beast fans have taken over. This use to be the only board on TD where ppl had common sense and a high emotional IQ.


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SulphursFinest
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
Lol are you bringing politics to PelicansTalk? No wonder people bash you.


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whatiknowsofar
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
It just sucks to see our head coach defend taking so many 3s when we should be eating teams alive inside. We don't play inside out, we play outside-in and our players don't communicate on defense. There's almost no hustle on the defensive end and AD outside of the paint is turning into a liability on d.


Think about it. Some folks here defend the coaching staff when it comes to our players not playing well (they don't listen, Boogie is stubborn, etc..) and while that may be true to some extent, Alvin Gentry was totally fine with AD taking a fricking 3 for that last shot. AD isn't a 3 point shooter, literally everyone knows that, and that's what our coach thinks. It's fricking pathetic.


ShamelessPel
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re: Our once great Pelicans Talk is becoming unreadable
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AD isn't a 3 point shooter, literally everyone knows that, and that's what our coach thinks. It's fricking pathetic.


I haven’t rewatched that play but it looked like the play design was for Miller and they had a secondary option or Miller and AD just made good reads. Your superstar got a chance to win the game with no one within 10 feet of him. I have ZERO problems with that shot. AD can hit that shot. I’d actually go out on a limb and say he’d shoot it better than 35% (his average) in that situation. It just didn’t go in. shite happens. Jack and Porz aren’t 3 pt shooters but they hit two late.


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