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re: Once Pelicans resign Holiday...
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:57 pm to ShamelessPel
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:57 pm to ShamelessPel
Rockets had to get over cap so in order to do that they had to play the cap by acquiring all sorts of non-guaranteed contracts and then make the deal so they can still have their MLE and BAE post-July 1...that's pretty shrewd and requires a lot of cap math
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:02 pm to BallHawk
clippers are a cautionary tale for trying to build a team with three max players
zach lowe:
the margin for error is razor thin
zach lowe:
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Yeah, filling out a roster with three max-level players is hard. Welcome to the first-world problems of competing for championships. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute was the closest thing GM Doc got to maximizing one of those fringe salary slots. They spent most of them on players who were good in the Eastern Conference in 2009. They traded one draft pick to Milwaukee because they didn't know the rules. They traded another for Jeff Green, because Rivers knew who he was.
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They used the midlevel exception on Spencer Hawes and Wesley Johnson; the Warriors used theirs on Shaun Livingston. They waived Joe Ingles, which hilariously came back to haunt them in their first-round loss to Utah. They never found a James Johnson, or a draft pick who could contribute. Now Paul is gone, J.J. Redick is next, and the greatest era in Clippers history -- a "thinnest kid in fat camp" designation, to be sure -- is over even if Blake Griffin returns.
the margin for error is razor thin
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:10 pm to cgrand
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the margin for error is razor thin
To be fair Doc blew a lot of assets and never hit. Just look at his transactions page. LINK Bledsoe for Redick is the only good move, and considering Bledsoe's value that might be a push rather than a win. He has a few other wins like signing Collison but that was short lived and there are so many losses on his resume. Demps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doc at working the scrap heap.
But I do agree that the Pels are more likely to become the next Clippers than the next champ.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:13 pm to TigerinATL
UPDATED Title Favs:
GS -175
Cle +450
Bos 14/1
Hou, SA 20/1
Was 60/1
Min 66/1
Milw 75/1
NO 100/1
Mia, Tor 125/1
LAL 140/1
LAC, OKC, Uta 150/1
We are getting that 5th seed sons
GS -175
Cle +450
Bos 14/1
Hou, SA 20/1
Was 60/1
Min 66/1
Milw 75/1
NO 100/1
Mia, Tor 125/1
LAL 140/1
LAC, OKC, Uta 150/1
We are getting that 5th seed sons
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:10 pm to Fun Bunch
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I'm still trying to figure out what "holiday plates" means
I'm assuming that "Holiday plates" may be referring to Holiday dishes, aka assists? Plates/Dishes?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:22 pm to TigerinATL
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Demps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doc at working the scrap heap.
i wouldnt go that far....maybe just about 4 or 5 >
you can look a lot more competent finding guys to soak up minutes for a 30 win team playing out the string in the spring than trying to find guys to contribute in the Western Conference Playoffs
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:03 pm to CocoLoco
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He's the move to make to get in the playoffs next year. You get in the playoffs you keep Boogie
Long term, I hate it.
Suppose he is signed and Pels make playoffs as 5-6 seed. Would he not be a tradeable asset at that point?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:05 pm to BSB1988
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You need to up that number to between 23 to 30
I agree, but the difference between 23 and 30 is massive.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:20 pm to Rakim
We're so fricked.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:30 pm to cgrand
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clippers are a cautionary tale for trying to build a team with three max players
Deandre Jordan is a shitty third max player imo.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:51 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:And Jrue will be the same for us.
Deandre Jordan is a shitty third max player imo.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:59 pm to NOSHAU
One could make the argument that DJ is w way better third than Jrue will ever be.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:04 pm to Fun Bunch
He's still good enough that you can become the Grizzlies or Clippers, but that's your ceiling if you can't trade him later or don't get lucky in the draft.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 6:37 am to TigerinATL
what's wrong with those ceilings, particularly the Clippers?
for half a decade, the Grizz have been a 50 win team and the Clippers were a legit 55 win/title contending team
for half a decade, the Grizz have been a 50 win team and the Clippers were a legit 55 win/title contending team
Posted on 6/29/17 at 6:52 am to corndeaux
Yeah I mean is that the worst thing in the world? To win 55 games a year for the next half decade and consistently be a threat to make the conference finals if the team stays healthy?
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:03 am to corndeaux
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what's wrong with those ceilings, particularly the Clippers?
There's nothing wrong with it. In a thread on PR talking about signing Jrue for $25ish someone said we'd be screwed if that happened. I told him we wouldn't be screwed, we'd just be stuck. They are 2 very different conditions.
In that thread someone with sources, who disclaimed his own sources like he didn't really trust him, said the Jrue contract figure was 4/$112 which would start him at $25 and end at $29. That number kind of mirrors Nate Duncan's mock free agency with Jrue going to the Wolves at 4/$111 and the Pels signing Teague for 4/$70 IIRC. I'm not sure what we do with about $11-$12 million to spend on SG in that situation, but I'd definitely choose Teague at $10 million per year less than Jrue.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 8:05 am
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:10 am to TigerinATL
Without question. If the money disperity is that great, no way you should go with Jrue over Teague.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:22 am to TigerinATL
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rue going to the Wolves at 4/$111 and the Pels signing Teague for 4/$70 IIRC. I'm not sure what we do with about $11-$12 million to spend on SG in that situation, but I'd definitely choose Teague at $10 million per year less than Jrue.
That sounds like a dream come true.
Teague gives you just about everythign Jrue does for significantly less. Slightly better scorer, still a good defender, not great.
with $11-12M i would think you could get make a push for Hardaway/Snell/Simmons. I'm sure you are talking about stretching Asik and unloading Ajinca and Qpon to get to that $11-12M right?
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:29 am to TeddyPadillac
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I'm sure you are talking about stretching Asik and unloading Ajinca and Qpon to get to that $11-12M right?
Right, you also have to give up Cunningham's Bird Rights although you could probably bring him back with the Room Exception if you didn't have anyone better to spend it on.
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That sounds like a dream come true.
The problem is that rumor from PR worries me. I've always felt that their supposed desire to keep Jrue's price low was based on what MM was told, the optics of Jrue making more than AD, not any sort of fiscal responsibility or belief that Jrue was easily replaceable. I could see a situation where Demps would go to AD and ask AD if he was ok with Jrue making more money than him if that were the main thing holding him back.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 8:36 am
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:34 am to TigerinATL
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There's nothing wrong with it
got it. being as good as the Grizzlies or the Clippers have been should be the goal. anything beyond that takes a hell of a lot luck
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we wouldn't be screwed, we'd just be stuck
unless his leg falls off or they actually max him out, i think he's moveable. maybe not a + asset, but the way the league is now, everyone seems moveable. someone would take a flier on him even w/ 3/$85 left
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'd definitely choose Teague at $10 million per year less than Jrue.
i agree. i'd go further- i'd prefer an even cheaper option than Teague at $18M/year
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Nate Duncan's mock free agency
you get through all of it? i was going to give it a go, then the Paul trade happened...
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