OK...first things first...we need to all get onboard the "Tank". If there's ever been a...

Agree with everything in OP. Reps are invaluable for players like Herb, TM3, Hawkins, and Missi. They’re all just scratching the surface. Let them evolve. They’re the type of players that work hard and have added to their offensive game every year. They need confidence in their abilities and the freedom to make mistakes this season. See what works. What doesn’t. And adjust in the offseason.

We can’t climb out of the gutter with this coach (I’m starting to suspect Griff knows this and that’s why he’s still here). Luckily we don’t have to try very hard to get our two stars to check out for the season.

Jones and Murphy are roles players. They are fine and can help a team. But you don't build anything around them. They are pieces you add later, as compliments. They should both be shopped, and moved if we get a great offer. Nobody is off limits during a rebuild.

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Ill bet on either of those two proving the doubters wrong if they get some leash this year

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Do you believe that any of those 4 (Hawkins, Missi, Murphy and Jones) can be a 2nd of 3rd option on a Championship or contending level team?

I like Jones, but could he ever reach a Derek White level of play (he's the 4th option on a loaded team)?

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Why would you think a player that’s obviously added to his 2 pt scoring ability and handles has capped out on his playmaking?

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Ok. Name me a guy in year 4 or 5 who went from being a role player to a star player, b/c what you are asking him to do is become a star player.

Trey does not possess the skills, nor can he work hard enough to gain these skills to reach that next level of playmaking. If he had them, we'd have seen it by now.

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He’s already going 1 on 1 much more effectively this year compared to last. He had two moves last year. Three or straight at the rim. Hes definitely more dynamic.

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You think if you say this it's true?
provide any shred of proof.

Trey is scoring 0.44 points per possession in isolation situations this year. That's way way below average, and worst on the team for those who qualify.
Last year he was 1.09, which is good, but he only had 23 iso possessions all year. The year before he was 0.39, so obviously some good progression there.


Trey Murphy as the ball handler in a screen: 0.22 PPP, which is really bad, and worst on the team.

Trey Murphy as the screener this year: 2.14 PPP, which is beyond elite. That PPP is tops in all of the NBA. He was at 1.49 last year, and that was top 20 in the league. He's elite as the ball screener.Trey has played in 12 games, yet has only had 14 possessions where he was the screener.



for the last time, Trey is an elite role player. He's not going to create offense for himself or others off the dribble. Stop thinking he'll magically get this skillset in the future and just utilize his elite skillset he already has. When Trey is on the court with other players who can handle the pressure of the defense, then he excels.

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Same with Herb. Ill bet on either of those two proving the doubters wrong if they get some leash this year.

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Trey had that leash last year when BI went down. He didn't prove you right.

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Jalen Brunson?

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I would have accepted Harden as well, although the only reason he didn't break out sooner is b/c he was being overshadowed by KD and Westbrook, but his skillset was evident early on.

Brunson is a good answer though, but you started seeing his playmaking in year 3 next to Luka, he just didn't have the opportunity to show it much with how ball dominant Luka is.

I'm not down with a full rebuild. We have too much talent and still have all of our draft picks + 1. I'm ok with not doing well this year though and getting a top 10 pick.

Trade CJ at the deadline. Hawkins needs to take his place, and come off the bench. Trade Zion in the offseason. Don't let him play again this year. Get back another athletic big to bolster our 5 position. I honestly dont care if he can shoot or not, just be a great defender, although I'd like it if he can hit his free throws. I'd like the same type of 5 rotation as Dallas has with Lively/Gafford.

Resign BI to a 4/$190 deal. If he refuses, then let him go and at that point you're in full rebuild mode, but if you resign him, then you keep building around BI/Murray/Trey/Herb/Missi/Hawkins. We still have the assets to trade for a star player if we want to.


Most importantly, fire Willie Green asap. Fire Griff in the offseason, or right now for all I care.
Both of them need to go, now.

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Why? Who are we negotiating against?

If he makes it to FA, he'll struggle to get over 35M/year. Nobody has cap space, so we'll have to facilitate any deal over 25M. Why do you want to give him over 45M?

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Agreed. Unless he wants to go to the nets he needs us to help facilitate a sign and trade.

I honestly think he's going to end up taking a 1 or 2 year deal for like 20M. He still hasn't gotten it through his thick skull that no one wants him.

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guarantee you multiple teams would give him 4/$180M,

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I don't see this happening. I can't think of anyone being a near max guy that has no trade market. Teams wouldn't wait on FA, if they could get him now. Especially if it's going to end up being a S&T.

The league doesn't value him like you believe it does. That should be pretty obvious by now.

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The league doesn't value him like you believe it does. That should be pretty obvious by now.

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I guess you’ll find out this summer.
There’s an irrational hate for BI from a lot on this board. The rest of the league doesn’t feel that way.