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re: Offseason player trade rumors thread
Posted on 7/1/21 at 4:07 pm to Epic Cajun
Posted on 7/1/21 at 4:07 pm to Epic Cajun
Sign and trade Lonzo to 76ers for Simmons
Trade Adams, Bledsoe, and picks for Beal.
No idea how salaries would/wouldn't match up.
Main offensive liability would be Simmons but he can finish at the rim better than Lonzo
Trade Adams, Bledsoe, and picks for Beal.
No idea how salaries would/wouldn't match up.
Main offensive liability would be Simmons but he can finish at the rim better than Lonzo
This post was edited on 7/1/21 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 7/1/21 at 4:10 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Can he still play? He appears to be broken down. He has not played a lot the last 3 years and never has played defense.
Right. Love’s contract is beyond putrid. Like totally awful. But he can still play, may be a slightly better fit, and that contract might be a key to matching salary for a star and a ton of picks attached.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 4:14 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:3-4 1sts? What? Bled and Adams for Love is a wash. They actually save $4-$5 million in guaranteed money. Sexton and Nance would require likely 2 1sts at most.
In a deal where we send Bled and Adams and get love, sexton, nance back, we’d absolutely be sending at least 3-4 firsts their way lol. We’d also have to add more salary. Some of yall are nuts lol.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 4:24 pm to NOSHAU
Sexton is a nice player. But I don't want to give him the max and I don't want him here as about to be a RFA (what we are going through with Ball). I have every confidence that NAW would put up the same numbers, if he was given the same opportunities that Sexton got..
Posted on 7/1/21 at 4:26 pm to M3From225
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No idea how salaries would/wouldn't match up.
…or how trades work in general seemingly.
Ask yourself if you were Washington.. why the F would you give up Beal for Beld, Adams and some picks?
If you were Philly.. you think Zo for Simmons is good pick up? One being a perennial all star and consistent post season participant… the other has improved a bit.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 4:28 pm to NOSHAU
That was not the trade ESPN had yesterday. We were giving up Adams, Bled, and Ingram. It was a three way with the pacers and Cleveland. We got to dump Adams and Bledso obviously.
We got back Turner, Sexton, Nance, and Love there was another Pacer player also but I forgot. So yes we gave up Ingram also.
We got back Turner, Sexton, Nance, and Love there was another Pacer player also but I forgot. So yes we gave up Ingram also.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 4:30 pm to Wadey
quote:I saw that. That is not what this discussion is about though. That trade was pathetic.
That was not the trade ESPN had yesterday. We were giving up Adams, Bled, and Ingram. It was a three way with the pacers and Cleveland. We got to dump Adams and Bledso obviously.
We got back Turner, Sexton, Nance, and Love there was another Pacer player also but I forgot. So yes we gave up Ingram also.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 4:53 pm to NOSHAU
I my bad came in at page 15 today. A shame we would have to give up picks to get off Bled and Adams. I really thought Bled would be better and Adams started the year pretty good. Sucks..
Posted on 7/1/21 at 5:03 pm to Wadey
I don't understand moving Beldsoe or Adams this year, unless it facilitates a bigger move. They have young, cheaper players behind them that have starter potential. Let them mentor and split time. They will be easy to move next summer and hopefully the younger guy is ready to step up..
Posted on 7/1/21 at 5:24 pm to Wadey
Yes - let’s give up picks to dump players we gave up picks to get.
Griffin should take a salary cut to zero for the next decade for those idiotic moves.
Griffin should take a salary cut to zero for the next decade for those idiotic moves.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 5:43 pm to brmark70816
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I don't understand moving Beldsoe or Adams this year, unless it facilitates a bigger move.
A lot of that sentiment is because SVG wouldn't bench Bledsoe. I think Adams could be really good in a bench role. I think the Pels have enough guards that Bledsoe seems in the way even off the bench. You don't want him taking minutes from Kira and Didi.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 6:19 pm to NOSHAU
I mean Cleve reportedly wanted 2 firsts for nance just last year (he’s likely worth 1) and Sexton is basically the younger point guard version of Ingram, that has a better pull up 3 and floater game, so I’m not really understanding why people think he’s attainable for 1-2 firsts, when the same people think Ingram is worth 4-5 firsts and swaps.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 6:59 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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I mean Cleve reportedly wanted 2 firsts for nance just last year
And that’s why he’s still in Cleveland. Same reason Turner is still indiana.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 7:26 pm to TigerinATL
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You don't want him taking minutes from Kira and Didi.
Those guys still have to earn minutes, in my opinion. Kira showed flashes, but Didi was hardly around enough to form any opinion.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 7:30 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:Sexton has a reputation for not getting along with teammates because he is a ball hog and he will likely demand a max deal after next year. His worth is not high. I thought they were asking for a 1st for Nance last year and did not get it. He is not worth 2 1sts.
I mean Cleve reportedly wanted 2 firsts for nance just last year (he’s likely worth 1) and Sexton is basically the younger point guard version of Ingram, that has a better pull up 3 and floater game, so I’m not really understanding why people think he’s attainable for 1-2 firsts, when the same people think Ingram is worth 4-5 firsts and swaps.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 7:33 pm to NOSHAU
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Do you think someone like Simmons would clog the lane and make things worse for Zion? Spacing would even be worse.
Can’t be any worse than having Adams on the court. Just make sure we have some shooters and a stretch big than can shoot. Maybe a Myles turner at the 5 ?
This post was edited on 7/1/21 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 7/1/21 at 8:15 pm to NOSHAU
To you and Teddy.
I said Cleve wanted 2 and in the same breath I said Nance is prob worth one, especially now since a gear has passed. Thing is, it takes 2 to tango. Presti and Griff have created a market that you have to overpay to get quality players. Adams and Bledsoe are BY FAR the worst players in that trade, so picks and Kira would be how we can maybe make this an equitable trade.
Also, I’m not worried about Sexton’s rep in Cleve. They are the definition of a poverty franchise.
Flip on the tape of Sexton’s 1 v 5 game in college or the games he went toe to toe and absolutely punked KD, Kyrie, Harden and Brooklyn. Hell even flip on the tape of a game he played against us in March of 2020, where he singlehandily prevented us from blowing the Cavs out by 50. Guy has a lot of fight and dog in him as well as skill. Cleveland doesn’t know what it takes to win. Them personally undervaluing a player should make you value a player more.
Sexton is the only player truly worth a frick on their entire team. He’s right to ballhog the basketball. Put Sexton on this team with Zion, Ingram, ZO, Hayes, Nance, Love, Nickeil and no Adams and Bledsoe to royally frick things up and that’s a squad that can catch fire and go deep in the postseason for years to come. That’s worth more than 1-2 firsts.
I personally don’t love Love, but including him or someone like Porzingis in this type of trade helps us not to have to attach 3-4 additional firsts just to get rid of Adams and Bledsoe. Because that is what it will take if we trade them for a player that is a good player on a good contract. If you don’t want to drain your draft capital to get off of these contracts, you have to assume some risk on your end. Neither player has any use to any team in the nba other than Adams being able to set some screens and bang in the post against big centers for about 15 games a year.
I just think we as fans need to be more realistic trade value wise. Overvaluing our players and undervaluing all 29 other teams players is not a productive exercise in finding trades that are actually fair and beneficial to all parties involved.
I said Cleve wanted 2 and in the same breath I said Nance is prob worth one, especially now since a gear has passed. Thing is, it takes 2 to tango. Presti and Griff have created a market that you have to overpay to get quality players. Adams and Bledsoe are BY FAR the worst players in that trade, so picks and Kira would be how we can maybe make this an equitable trade.
Also, I’m not worried about Sexton’s rep in Cleve. They are the definition of a poverty franchise.
Flip on the tape of Sexton’s 1 v 5 game in college or the games he went toe to toe and absolutely punked KD, Kyrie, Harden and Brooklyn. Hell even flip on the tape of a game he played against us in March of 2020, where he singlehandily prevented us from blowing the Cavs out by 50. Guy has a lot of fight and dog in him as well as skill. Cleveland doesn’t know what it takes to win. Them personally undervaluing a player should make you value a player more.
Sexton is the only player truly worth a frick on their entire team. He’s right to ballhog the basketball. Put Sexton on this team with Zion, Ingram, ZO, Hayes, Nance, Love, Nickeil and no Adams and Bledsoe to royally frick things up and that’s a squad that can catch fire and go deep in the postseason for years to come. That’s worth more than 1-2 firsts.
I personally don’t love Love, but including him or someone like Porzingis in this type of trade helps us not to have to attach 3-4 additional firsts just to get rid of Adams and Bledsoe. Because that is what it will take if we trade them for a player that is a good player on a good contract. If you don’t want to drain your draft capital to get off of these contracts, you have to assume some risk on your end. Neither player has any use to any team in the nba other than Adams being able to set some screens and bang in the post against big centers for about 15 games a year.
I just think we as fans need to be more realistic trade value wise. Overvaluing our players and undervaluing all 29 other teams players is not a productive exercise in finding trades that are actually fair and beneficial to all parties involved.
This post was edited on 7/1/21 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 7/1/21 at 8:27 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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The Dallas Mavericks and Charlotte Hornets have been discussing a Kristaps Porzingis deal per league source
#MFFL #AllFly LINK
Don't know this guy whatsoever
This post was edited on 7/1/21 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 7/1/21 at 8:38 pm to Soggymoss
Wonder if they are trying to get Gordon Hayward or Rozier out of them to take some of the creating pressure off of Luka.
Charlotte could use a big with some actual size and upside. All they have that’s worth a flip is PJ and he’s like 6ft 8.
Tweet is from some guy monikered Ghetto Othello and it looks like he interacts with Scoop B on twitter Lol
Charlotte could use a big with some actual size and upside. All they have that’s worth a flip is PJ and he’s like 6ft 8.
Tweet is from some guy monikered Ghetto Othello and it looks like he interacts with Scoop B on twitter Lol
This post was edited on 7/1/21 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:40 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Those guys still have to earn minutes, in my opinion.
I mean, it’s not like Bledsoe earned his minutes in the second half of last season
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